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Last.Midnight
Australia906 Posts
And of course he's a good player. He's A rank - sometimes S. I'm simply talking about something that, unfortunately, prevents him from being as great as he could be and leads to results like this series, or never doing well in BSL. I'm not sure what the solution is. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines622 Posts
On September 29 2025 12:46 prosatan wrote: + Show Spoiler + The games ended very quickly ... without Sziky doing 4 pool or anything like that... at least with Ret he put up a bit of resistance and fought a few battles.. is there VOD link for sziky vs arty? | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5356 Posts
As insane and terrible Artosis' chat is on average. his chat still provides many helpful insights and tips, that could make Artosis be a better gamer without an external coach coming in, but like you said. Artosis won't have it. To coach Artosis you need to be a respected and (far) better player than he is and be proficient enough in English. There is maybe 1-3 people that fit that criteria, Scan being one of them. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8604 Posts
On September 29 2025 20:59 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: is there VOD link for sziky vs arty? https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2578283235 | ||
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Last.Midnight
Australia906 Posts
On September 29 2025 21:13 Peeano wrote: The reason I mentioned Scan, is because he's one of the few players Artosis respects skill and knowledge wise, and Scan has actually made Artosis a better player. As insane and terrible Artosis' chat is on average. his chat still provides many helpful insights and tips, that could make Artosis be a better gamer without an external coach coming in, but like you said. Artosis won't have it. To coach Artosis you need to be a respected and (far) better player than he is and be proficient enough in English. There is maybe 1-3 people that fit that criteria, Scan being one of them. He cut gypsy's coaching short saying "oh ok I get it" after like 15 minutes, indicating he didn't need to review another rep or watch gypsy play a TvZ despite gypsy clearly feeling otherwise. He did incorporate some ideas and play his next TvZ better, but he was still making a ton of errors that gypsy pointed out that could have been addressed with more time. He's a free man - he can do what he wants. His stream is a gigantic success and he's built a dream life for himself. He doesn't HAVE to listen to any of us or do anything different, but I find it hard to believe he wants to be a serious player when he doesn't prep, drill, or even let top foreign Terrans finish a coaching session on THEIR terms. It feels like the 'I'm working on my gameplay' angle is just part of the brand/engagement strategy, since who wants to watch a stream of a player who's given up on progress? | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia936 Posts
It's been an ongoing process for him, and maybe he'll get there one day. The simple truth is that your best tournament performance will be reached when you go for strategies that are simple enough for you to execute very well, while requiring the next level of skill to stop. I don't necessarily mean pure cheese, but there is such low hanging fruit in every matchup, for every race, at every skill range. They plateau and are not good for long-term practice/development, but you still need to be very familiar with them to execute them properly during competition. At the very least, one should always have in their arsenal the best and most annoying timings that their mechanics allow them to pull off. And the humility to skip the ones that you can't, when there are stakes. And the humility to be extra defensive on the macro openers/choose openers accordingly, if you can't handle every possible all-in comfortably with your micro...and so on. If your pride doesn't allow you to do that? Well, kill your wrists and arms, and study, and get good. Can't exactly half ass getting to the next level. | ||
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Pelloth99
Poland14 Posts
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
Fun event btw and it got good viewership across Gypsy+Artosis+Ret streams, hope to see more matches like this. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 29 2025 19:18 Last.Midnight wrote: I love Artosis but he is fundamentally uncoachable and I don't see that changing. The central pillar of his whole identity in the world is that he's the non-Korean BW expert. That's been his self-image for decades as a caster, analyst, player, etc. Engaging in longer coaching sessions and really internalising what another human has to say about the game erodes that and his psyche sees that as an existential threat - after all, what value does he have as a human if someone else can tell him things about BW he doesn't already understand? It's a threat to his LIFE to sit down and listen to anyone explain the game to him for too long, and so he's created an echo chamber with Tasteless and his YT subscribers where he gets to retain his identity. To his credit, he will listen to a point. But even when Scan is explaining the game to him, you can see him drifting in and out and rejecting ideas under the premise that "that's not my style" or "I don't prefer to play that way". It's a rigid lack of flexibility and ego that keeps him down and always will. Nyoken was a better player and was a better BW caster. I'm pretty sure that Artosis has never been able to say "this is what the player I'm currently casting did when they played me on the ladder in this map". | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5356 Posts
On September 30 2025 00:53 iRkSupperman wrote: Why are we spoilering in a live report thread???? Fun event btw and it got good viewership across Gypsy+Artosis+Ret streams, hope to see more matches like this. It's in General, not in Tourneys, so this isn't an LR thread. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5356 Posts
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Maksim2010
41 Posts
What everyone expected Ret is one of the best foreigner to ever touch StarCraft/StarCraft2 not so successful but very high in the ladder | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1534 Posts
On September 30 2025 12:26 Maksim2010 wrote: + Show Spoiler + What everyone expected Ret is one of the best foreigner to ever touch StarCraft/StarCraft2 not so successful but very high in the ladder What ladder would that be? Shield Battery? RT is 18th there atm. We assume this is Ret's ladder account with 10 A ranks: https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/20/player/retje As of this message RT has 1 account at A 2229 BSL-Artosis on Europe which is 40 points higher than Ret's highest account. It was the reverse the day of the showmatch. There's pretty high mmr variance on ladder. S rank is at 2244 atm. + Show Spoiler + I was surprised by the result, because I was only looking at those recent ladder rankings that clearly don't tell the full story. | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
On September 30 2025 06:17 Peeano wrote: It's in General, not in Tourneys, so this isn't an LR thread. The BW section of TL has like 5 threads a month. Splitting it in three is completely artificial at this point lmao | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5356 Posts
On October 01 2025 00:50 iRkSupperman wrote: The BW section of TL has like 5 threads a month. Splitting it in three is completely artificial at this point lmao No one bothered to make an LR and used spoilers instead. It's how TL has always worked. Why would TL remove/merge perfectly working subforums just because you think it's redundant or not necessary to use spoilers? Lmao | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
On October 01 2025 04:00 Peeano wrote: No one bothered to make an LR and used spoilers instead. It's how TL has always worked. Why would TL remove/merge perfectly working subforums just because you think it's redundant or not necessary to use spoilers? Lmao Because nobody cares that much about the result of a random showmatch to go ahead and ruin the reading experience like people are doing | ||
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TwiggyWan
France336 Posts
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pseudosignal
45 Posts
Like, what do you actually think is going to be happening in the thread considering this has already happened? I'm genuinely curious. | ||
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Kanzzer
49 Posts
On September 30 2025 06:16 RogueTheGOAT wrote: Nyoken was a better player and was a better BW caster. I'm pretty sure that Artosis has never been able to say "this is what the player I'm currently casting did when they played me on the ladder in this map". Nyoken was a better caster in what regard? Play analysis, definitely better than Artosis. Play-by-play casting? They are both good, but Nyoken was definitely not "better". Color commentary? Arty blows Nyoken out of the water. Nyoken is better for people who are interested in the technical details of the ongoing matches. Which is fine, but deeming it as if he's objectively better just seems like you are hating on Arty. Such big reason BW esports is still attracting new viewers (many don't even play) is due to Artosis' style of casting. I mean if Tastosis go with the highly technicaly analysis-style of casting that Nyoken has, they would never make north of $12k per month on Patreon like they do right now (and that includes months where ASLs are not even on). Even worse, SOOP may not even officially partner with any foreign casters at all. I love Nyoken's casts. I myself would watch his over Tastosis. I wish he didn't retire. But that's just me & you, not everyone's cup of tea. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On October 01 2025 21:41 Kanzzer wrote: Nyoken was a better caster in what regard? Play analysis, definitely better than Artosis. Play-by-play casting? They are both good, but Nyoken was definitely not "better". Color commentary? Arty blows Nyoken out of the water. Nyoken is better for people who are interested in the technical details of the ongoing matches. Which is fine, but deeming it as if he's objectively better just seems like you are hating on Arty. Such big reason BW esports is still attracting new viewers (many don't even play) is due to Artosis' style of casting. I mean if Tastosis go with the highly technicaly analysis-style of casting that Nyoken has, they would never make north of $12k per month on Patreon like they do right now (and that includes months where ASLs are not even on). Even worse, SOOP may not even officially partner with any foreign casters at all. I love Nyoken's casts. I myself would watch his over Tastosis. I wish he didn't retire. But that's just me & you, not everyone's cup of tea. Tastosis shoot the shit with Starcraft in the background. They can be quite funny, but the next piece of insightful commentary they deliver will be their first in years. Weirdos with a para-social relationship to internet people paying $12,000 a month does not change that. They're entertainers, not casters. | ||
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