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On September 30 2025 12:26 Maksim2010 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What everyone expected Ret is one of the best foreigner to ever touch StarCraft/StarCraft2 not so successful but very high in the ladder
What ladder would that be? Shield Battery? RT is 18th there atm.
We assume this is Ret's ladder account with 10 A ranks:
https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/20/player/retje
As of this message RT has 1 account at
A
2229
BSL-Artosis on Europe
which is 40 points higher than Ret's highest account.
It was the reverse the day of the showmatch.
There's pretty high mmr variance on ladder.
S rank is at 2244 atm.
+ Show Spoiler +I was surprised by the result, because I was only looking at those recent ladder rankings that clearly don't tell the full story.
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On September 30 2025 06:17 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2025 00:53 iRkSupperman wrote:
Why are we spoilering in a live report thread????
Fun event btw and it got good viewership across Gypsy+Artosis+Ret streams, hope to see more matches like this. It's in General, not in Tourneys, so this isn't an LR thread.
The BW section of TL has like 5 threads a month. Splitting it in three is completely artificial at this point lmao
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On October 01 2025 00:50 iRkSupperman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2025 06:17 Peeano wrote:On September 30 2025 00:53 iRkSupperman wrote:
Why are we spoilering in a live report thread????
Fun event btw and it got good viewership across Gypsy+Artosis+Ret streams, hope to see more matches like this. It's in General, not in Tourneys, so this isn't an LR thread. The BW section of TL has like 5 threads a month. Splitting it in three is completely artificial at this point lmao
No one bothered to make an LR and used spoilers instead. It's how TL has always worked.
Why would TL remove/merge perfectly working subforums just because you think it's redundant or not necessary to use spoilers? Lmao
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On October 01 2025 04:00 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2025 00:50 iRkSupperman wrote:On September 30 2025 06:17 Peeano wrote:On September 30 2025 00:53 iRkSupperman wrote:
Why are we spoilering in a live report thread????
Fun event btw and it got good viewership across Gypsy+Artosis+Ret streams, hope to see more matches like this. It's in General, not in Tourneys, so this isn't an LR thread. The BW section of TL has like 5 threads a month. Splitting it in three is completely artificial at this point lmao No one bothered to make an LR and used spoilers instead. It's how TL has always worked. Why would TL remove/merge perfectly working subforums just because you think it's redundant or not necessary to use spoilers? Lmao
Because nobody cares that much about the result of a random showmatch to go ahead and ruin the reading experience like people are doing
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i liked the casting on this!
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I don't know why you wouldn't expect spoilers about the Artosis vs Ret Showmatch in a thread called Artosis vs Ret Showmatch.
Like, what do you actually think is going to be happening in the thread considering this has already happened? I'm genuinely curious.
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On September 30 2025 06:16 RogueTheGOAT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2025 19:18 Last.Midnight wrote:
I love Artosis but he is fundamentally uncoachable and I don't see that changing.
The central pillar of his whole identity in the world is that he's the non-Korean BW expert. That's been his self-image for decades as a caster, analyst, player, etc. Engaging in longer coaching sessions and really internalising what another human has to say about the game erodes that and his psyche sees that as an existential threat - after all, what value does he have as a human if someone else can tell him things about BW he doesn't already understand? It's a threat to his LIFE to sit down and listen to anyone explain the game to him for too long, and so he's created an echo chamber with Tasteless and his YT subscribers where he gets to retain his identity.
To his credit, he will listen to a point. But even when Scan is explaining the game to him, you can see him drifting in and out and rejecting ideas under the premise that "that's not my style" or "I don't prefer to play that way". It's a rigid lack of flexibility and ego that keeps him down and always will. Nyoken was a better player and was a better BW caster. I'm pretty sure that Artosis has never been able to say "this is what the player I'm currently casting did when they played me on the ladder in this map".
Nyoken was a better caster in what regard? Play analysis, definitely better than Artosis. Play-by-play casting? They are both good, but Nyoken was definitely not "better". Color commentary? Arty blows Nyoken out of the water.
Nyoken is better for people who are interested in the technical details of the ongoing matches. Which is fine, but deeming it as if he's objectively better just seems like you are hating on Arty. Such big reason BW esports is still attracting new viewers (many don't even play) is due to Artosis' style of casting.
I mean if Tastosis go with the highly technicaly analysis-style of casting that Nyoken has, they would never make north of $12k per month on Patreon like they do right now (and that includes months where ASLs are not even on). Even worse, SOOP may not even officially partner with any foreign casters at all.
I love Nyoken's casts. I myself would watch his over Tastosis. I wish he didn't retire.
But that's just me & you, not everyone's cup of tea.
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On October 01 2025 21:41 Kanzzer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2025 06:16 RogueTheGOAT wrote:On September 29 2025 19:18 Last.Midnight wrote:
I love Artosis but he is fundamentally uncoachable and I don't see that changing.
The central pillar of his whole identity in the world is that he's the non-Korean BW expert. That's been his self-image for decades as a caster, analyst, player, etc. Engaging in longer coaching sessions and really internalising what another human has to say about the game erodes that and his psyche sees that as an existential threat - after all, what value does he have as a human if someone else can tell him things about BW he doesn't already understand? It's a threat to his LIFE to sit down and listen to anyone explain the game to him for too long, and so he's created an echo chamber with Tasteless and his YT subscribers where he gets to retain his identity.
To his credit, he will listen to a point. But even when Scan is explaining the game to him, you can see him drifting in and out and rejecting ideas under the premise that "that's not my style" or "I don't prefer to play that way". It's a rigid lack of flexibility and ego that keeps him down and always will. Nyoken was a better player and was a better BW caster. I'm pretty sure that Artosis has never been able to say "this is what the player I'm currently casting did when they played me on the ladder in this map". Nyoken was a better caster in what regard? Play analysis, definitely better than Artosis. Play-by-play casting? They are both good, but Nyoken was definitely not "better". Color commentary? Arty blows Nyoken out of the water. Nyoken is better for people who are interested in the technical details of the ongoing matches. Which is fine, but deeming it as if he's objectively better just seems like you are hating on Arty. Such big reason BW esports is still attracting new viewers (many don't even play) is due to Artosis' style of casting. I mean if Tastosis go with the highly technicaly analysis-style of casting that Nyoken has, they would never make north of $12k per month on Patreon like they do right now (and that includes months where ASLs are not even on). Even worse, SOOP may not even officially partner with any foreign casters at all. I love Nyoken's casts. I myself would watch his over Tastosis. I wish he didn't retire. But that's just me & you, not everyone's cup of tea.
Tastosis shoot the shit with Starcraft in the background. They can be quite funny, but the next piece of insightful commentary they deliver will be their first in years. Weirdos with a para-social relationship to internet people paying $12,000 a month does not change that. They're entertainers, not casters.
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