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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
November 03 2015 17:10 GMT
#221
I'd assume in this particular instance where you are in an attack animation about to hit (and deny) a low hp ally who has just lost the Winter's Curse debuff, you could theoretically spam a move command or something to avoid it?

If so it's really not that big a deal imo.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 03 2015 17:23 GMT
#222
On November 04 2015 01:19 Jinxed wrote:
I mean, a similar thing happens if you enchant a creep that is mid animation/projectile with enchantress for the last hit on an allied hero. So bug is relative, but this one is probably a bit more problematic due to the way that her ult works.

That one's actually even present in DotA 1. There's an old top 10 where a Drow with HoD dominates a ranged creep with a projectile in flight toward her and denies herself.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 03 2015 22:25 GMT
#223
On September 25 2015 06:19 hariooo wrote:
cold embrace does seem like a ridiculous spell relative to just about any other support heal spell. it's a little confusing that her winrate isn't as ridiculous as i'd expect. 24% heal + looking at pros even who will right click the embraced target out of like spite or whatever is such crazzzzy value. maybe next to wisp for top 2 babysitters.

She has some atrocious base stats. her attack projectile is almost as slow as techies (and her range is very low for a support) and her base damage is like, CM low, as is her ms and hp pool. Pretty sure her armor is also quite low. She can only effectively trade if she blows her escape mechanism. If she wants to farm she's using mana for it. She's not great at ganking unless she has her ult, and that's a slightly extreme use. She's pretty much a hero who has on paper imbalanced abilities countered by having really bad base stats.
DazzleEnthusiast
Profile Joined May 2014
United States72 Posts
December 19 2015 17:42 GMT
#224
am i reading this right ?? her ultimate does no damage anymore? is there a point to picking her now
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
December 19 2015 18:02 GMT
#225
On December 20 2015 02:42 DazzleEnthusiast wrote:
am i reading this right ?? her ultimate does no damage anymore? is there a point to picking her now


Only the curse target teammates can hurt during curse. So not really.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
December 19 2015 18:04 GMT
#226
On December 20 2015 02:42 DazzleEnthusiast wrote:
am i reading this right ?? her ultimate does no damage anymore? is there a point to picking her now


The hero is balanced now. There are situations where it's a good pick, but it's not a must have anymore
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
December 20 2015 01:10 GMT
#227
pretty sure this hero is terrible now, can only be used to waste 5s of bkb
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 20 2015 01:15 GMT
#228
It's basically a tiny Naga ult that damages one person.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 20 2015 01:18 GMT
#229
Huge nerf because curse is no longer useful for pickoffs. Yango describes it perfectly.
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