EPT[Hero] Winter Wyvern - Page 11
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Archeon
3253 Posts
On September 24 2015 23:20 Sn0_Man wrote: I agree that WW is busted but IIRC he had like 40% winrate at TI5 which is not good lol. Yeah don't get me wrong, I dont think she needs a nerf now. But she has one coming once the big patch hits, probably after she becomes the goto support for a while. Unless the next big patch is even more about early aggression and SWM and other heavy magic damage nukers become (even more) popular. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On September 25 2015 03:14 Orome wrote: The crazy thing about WW is that she's theoretically meh vs almost all the popular heroes right now. Imagine if instead of Lesh, Lina and Gyro (aka the 'murder anyone in cold embrace' heroes) we had a lot of single-target right-clickers being picked. she was discovered so late into last patch too, with all the trolls snipers juggs | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On September 25 2015 03:14 Orome wrote: The crazy thing about WW is that she's theoretically meh vs almost all the popular heroes right now. Imagine if instead of Lesh, Lina and Gyro (aka the 'murder anyone in cold embrace' heroes) we had a lot of single-target right-clickers being picked. I think she is at worst ok vs any lineup and just wrecks other compositions. Theres not a single scenario when her ulti is not great, 2 of her skills scale great late game and you can farm from 2 screens away with the 3rd one. You can pretty much reliably get mana boots, blink, soul ring every single game regardless how bad it goes and I think thats all she needs. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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muh-skillcap
Germany18 Posts
Winter Wyvern's kit just offers way too many different things. The popularity of the hero makes alot of heroes unviable, or even worse than they already are, and alot of heroes are outclassed by it. A beastmaster for example just gets outclassed when you have a legitemely, strong lane support, with a better ultimate and another 20 pros. We are currently in a magic damage based meta and wyvern still dope as fuck. Seems wrong heh? | ||
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
Compare every other similar spell in the game. RP is centered around Magnus. Primal Roar has a substantial cast time and is single-target. Black Hole is channeled and short range. Chrono is shorter range and disables your own team. Aside from bouncing off Linken's on the main target, it's pretty much just better than every other similar spell. There's just no way to react to it and very little way to prepare yourself for it. Even though Cold Embrace is really strong, I suspect that IF is likely to nerf some aspect of Winter's Curse. He's generally pretty strict about how quickly you're allowed to completely disable heroes at range (the only other anomaly that I know of was Earth Spirit's Geomagnetic Grip stunning when he was released, but that was changed and with good reason). | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:01 disciple wrote: I think she is at worst ok vs any lineup and just wrecks other compositions. Theres not a single scenario when her ulti is not great, 2 of her skills scale great late game and you can farm from 2 screens away with the 3rd one. You can pretty much reliably get mana boots, blink, soul ring every single game regardless how bad it goes and I think thats all she needs. She's also one of the absolute best depush heroes in the game with just lvl 7. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 25 2015 06:54 muh-skillcap wrote: We are currently in a magic damage based meta and wyvern still dope as fuck. Seems wrong heh? I mean, it's weird to call it a magic damage based meta because a ton of magic damage heroes are made invalid by Glimmer Cape, so the magic damage heroes we actually use are the ones that are so bullshit that they don't care or that don't actually rely entirely on magic damage. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 25 2015 08:15 TheYango wrote: Lets wait till Glimmer Cape gets nerfed before we talk about how strong Cold Embrace is. That spell is literal invincibility mostly because Glimmer Cape covers magic damage so the physical immunity just has to pick up whats left. I don't care that much about how op it is overall (pretty moot discussion anyway considering it's a spell that blocks 100% of some heroes' damage and basically 0% of others'), but what annoys me is how much impact a spell like cold embrace has on the viability of single-target right-click melees, particularly ones that are dependent on their first jump being successful (eg. Ursa). It just exacerbates the problem that solar crest introduced, only you can't even itemise against it properly. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hMPfaB4.jpg) (Pay no attention to the 1-1-2 skillbuild. That was a very bad misclick.) | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Just seems like a case of bad luck there. Rare occurrence, but I can see why it happened. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
--Fixed another case where an enemy with only Winter's Curse debuff could deny an ally | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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