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Mythra
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand274 Posts
March 09 2012 12:52 GMT
#1921
I just have one question and that is what happened to kuroky? Is he still playing? I saw that he had made the team ariana gaming with some hon guys but I think they disbanded. He was my favourite player in dota 1.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - KuroKy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 09 2012 13:15 GMT
#1922
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.

Games plural? The only time I remember seeing that was in a game where Zhou was playing with yyf's BH and faith's AA, and it let them set up some pretty absurd ganks
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ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
March 09 2012 14:41 GMT
#1923
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.


Is not a bad idea if you ask me. Great damage during mid game.
People is diying.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
March 09 2012 20:34 GMT
#1924
On March 09 2012 23:41 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.


Is not a bad idea if you ask me. Great damage during mid game.

Hanging around TL forums, you'd think lothars was as bad as it was 10 versions ago. In reality it's a decent damage item (the 125 break damage splashes with his ult), and the 20% ms isn't bad for chasing either. Lothars gives positioning and damage, which DK needs more then more survivability or stats.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
March 09 2012 20:44 GMT
#1925
On March 09 2012 23:41 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.


Is not a bad idea if you ask me. Great damage during mid game.


Chinese pros usually build DK pretty tanky with pipe and BKB, I don't think Lothars will see a prolonged life in the scene, other than a gimmicky idea. DK has decent chase with long range stun and bonus MS in Dragon form. And the words "tank" and "Lothars" don't really match together. With the cost of a Lothars at 3300, I'd rather save 600 more for BKB.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 21:26:36
March 09 2012 21:23 GMT
#1926
On March 10 2012 05:34 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 23:41 ilovelings wrote:
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.


Is not a bad idea if you ask me. Great damage during mid game.

Hanging around TL forums, you'd think lothars was as bad as it was 10 versions ago. In reality it's a decent damage item (the 125 break damage splashes with his ult), and the 20% ms isn't bad for chasing either. Lothars gives positioning and damage, which DK needs more then more survivability or stats.

Like TheYango said, it's more for the ganker style DK that he was playing that game with his teammates. With a 400 range instant stun that is 3.25 seconds at level 4 on Dragon Form, it's viable but not the standard build.

Chinese DK usually gets Pipe then AC, though people do other builds like Mjolnir (which is incredible on him), BKB, etc. The AC lets a team that's doing well in pushes to just push, and then just harass towers while the other team has to figure out how to defend a really tanky Dragon that kills buildings pretty efficiently.
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
March 09 2012 22:15 GMT
#1927
On March 09 2012 22:15 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 21:37 Benjef wrote:
Why am i seeing Chinese pro games with dk lothars lately? I don't get it.

Games plural? The only time I remember seeing that was in a game where Zhou was playing with yyf's BH and faith's AA, and it let them set up some pretty absurd ganks

I'm sure I've seen 2 or 3 on diesmiling666 highlight videos. On my phone now will find me in a bit.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 09 2012 22:26 GMT
#1928
I'll concur and say.. Lothars on DK is just a gimmick. I'd categorize that build under pubstomp/gimmick.

VanG/Mjollnir/BKB or BKB/Hood/AC item builds are perfectly fine and capable. Even Helm+BKB+Buriza Carry works.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
March 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#1929
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QKvb3FoMA&context=C4e97a1aADvjVQa1PpcFOJqH5WBdTqUso6VlJTGhHYB1u2XDNS2Dg=


Heres two for example don't think they're chinese anyway but these are the first 2 I found but I'm sure I've seen some more. Probably just a gimmick then I guess.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 09 2012 23:35 GMT
#1930
Ah Mineski. Pinoy DotA at its finest--can't understand or rationalize anything.

Everything dies.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 10 2012 00:02 GMT
#1931
Random question. You know when you're in a Dota 2 game, there's buttons in the top left corner? There were 4 before, and there's a new one now. What exactly does it do?
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 10 2012 00:04 GMT
#1932
On March 10 2012 09:02 Hassybaby wrote:
Random question. You know when you're in a Dota 2 game, there's buttons in the top left corner? There were 4 before, and there's a new one now. What exactly does it do?


It's confirmed that CURRENTLY it does absolutely nothing, just a placeholder for now. (courtesy of the detectives at Dota2 forum on Reddit)
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
March 10 2012 00:16 GMT
#1933
On March 10 2012 09:04 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 09:02 Hassybaby wrote:
Random question. You know when you're in a Dota 2 game, there's buttons in the top left corner? There were 4 before, and there's a new one now. What exactly does it do?


It's confirmed that CURRENTLY it does absolutely nothing, just a placeholder for now. (courtesy of the detectives at Dota2 forum on Reddit)


Ah OK. Wish I knew that earlier, because I've spent worrying amounts of time during games to see what it does.
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vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
March 10 2012 07:40 GMT
#1934
Thanks guys!..we are trying 1 more fun build of enigma + SK+ Kunka all ultimates at same time lol
Somethings are just worth fighting for
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 10 2012 08:35 GMT
#1935
Another fun combo is dark seer + AM + invoker. dark seer pull them in, AM and invoker burns the mana, AM ulti the person with the biggest mana pool. Add in any other teamfight like enigma SK veno ect for overkill (enigma especially, keeps them grouped up so AM can get a bit more right click before he has to ulti) :D
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
AllinKing
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2 Posts
March 10 2012 14:39 GMT
#1936
When i play Mirana I almost allways goes for manta, but after that i usually go for mkb or stygian (bkb also if needed). What I wonder is when is it better to do mkb, stygian or maybe butterfly as second big item on Mirana.
MahKh
Profile Joined February 2012
144 Posts
March 10 2012 15:16 GMT
#1937
On March 10 2012 23:39 AllinKing wrote:
When i play Mirana I almost allways goes for manta, but after that i usually go for mkb or stygian (bkb also if needed). What I wonder is when is it better to do mkb, stygian or maybe butterfly as second big item on Mirana.

MKB : when they have agi carries that would get a bfly or when you desperately need the ministun
Stygian: i never usually get it, but when your team has some dps but wants to increase it alot/when they only have one carry and you really need to kill them.
Butterfly: usually good as a third item, not a second one ( too hard to get quickly)
BKB: obviously when you need it
Crit: usually better as a third damage item.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 15:21:16
March 10 2012 15:20 GMT
#1938
MKB is almost always the best choice for raw dps after a manta, I think mathmatically even MKB is the most powerfull item for Mirana but don't quote me on that(bear in mind that BKB could be prioritized over mkb), it also allows you to take down t3 towers easier from range.
WriterXiao8~~
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
March 10 2012 22:36 GMT
#1939
MKB for damage in general (specially great for attacking towers from the low ground)

Desolator is very usefull when you are playing as the secondary damage dealer because it boosts the damage the main carry does.
People is diying.
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
March 11 2012 03:56 GMT
#1940
"MKB for damage in general (specially great for attacking towers from the low ground)"

:O useful pointer haha I only thought it was for units.

But I always go Buriza after Manta (and BKB if needed) on Mirana. Pretty sure for pure DPS against enemy heroes Buriza > MKB for all heroes unless they have heroes with evasion.
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