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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On April 29 2013 21:11 taldarimAltar wrote: since the change what time do i pull the dire top camp by the 2nd tower? well i dono what has changed but the timing has traditionally been 2/32 | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
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nat
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On April 30 2013 16:36 nat wrote: Why is it that the tournament tracker (on the upcoming event) on this site removed for dota2. I dont know where else to ask this question. I use it everyday now its gone. Check your sidebar settings. Also the closest dota2 game is in like 5 days | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On April 30 2013 14:55 d_so wrote: The most obvious answer to your question is to initiate when you know you can get your creep to get hits on the opponent. If your creeps outnumber, especially if you have two ranged creeps stacked, you should always be ready to pull the trigger. Another thing to factor in is the range/melee balance in the lane. If you're two melee going against two range, then even if creep waves are even and both sides will get womped on by creeps, the two melee are going to win. Positioning is also very important for this. Let's say you're a melee hero. If their range hero is at any time closer to you than their range creep AND you're closer to your tower than theirs, you have to be ready to attack. As a rule of thumb, whichever side has less ranged heroes in the lane is the one that should be more aggressive and looking for kills. Sorry I don't understand can you elaborate on the melee/range hero balance bit? Why will the 2 melee heroes win an exchange vs 2 ranged heroes? | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On April 29 2013 23:18 KOFgokuon wrote: If wisp is warding and buying support items I don't see how he'd ever get 5.5 k gold to buy a heart. If he has that much farm thats so much farm taken away from your carries but w/e Like I said, in a long game with many assists. I've done it several times with good gold managing. Here's an example: http://dotabuff.com/matches/140056655 Not every piece of gold a support earns is a direct loss to their carries farm  | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
In what order should I buy those items: courier upgrade, sentry wards (to deward), observer wards (for other spots on the map) | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On April 30 2013 21:14 Zocat wrote: Situation: I'm the only support on the team, and realize at the 1min mark that the normal pullcamp is warded. In what order should I buy those items: courier upgrade, sentry wards (to deward), observer wards (for other spots on the map) Depending on how important it is for you to get farm in easy lane, (Only one carry, or trilaning) you should consider buying sentries right from the start. In pubs, I would just save 200 gold and buy them if I see they have warded. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On April 30 2013 20:01 Ryder. wrote: Sorry I don't understand can you elaborate on the melee/range hero balance bit? Why will the 2 melee heroes win an exchange vs 2 ranged heroes? Generally speaking, when you have 2 melee vs 2 ranged, most likely your two melee heroes have higher killing power whereas the two range are better at lane control. Lane control of is a more holistic thing: harassing, last hit/denying, etc. But the way dota has been designed now, when it comes to one instantaneous clash with full hp/mana/etc, two melee heroes are more likely to win out than two range. First, there's just the HP difference. In the early laning phase, manipulating creep damage is like 30~40% of the equation, and since melee heroes generally have higher HP than ranged heroes they can withstand more punishment from creep. (I know i'm being mister obvious here). So what I was talking about before was, if you're in a situation where both your heroes and their heroes are getting equally damaged by creep, you're more likely to win out as two melee heroes strictly because you have more HP. Also, generally speaking melee heroes have better stuns/slows and base damage. There are of course many exceptions to this, but once again generally speaking range heroes are better at chipping away at your HP, while melee heroes are better at chunking. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On April 30 2013 20:20 Mithhaike wrote: How can 2melee heroes outlane 2 range heroes? Chances are the 2 melee are going to be the ones outlaned even if the 2 range just uses auto attacks to harass? there needs to be a differentiation between lane control and kill power. Like I talked about in the other post, generally speaking ranged heroes, especially before level 6, are better at chipping away damage, whereas melee heroes are better at taking large chunks. Plus melee heroes generally have more effective slows and stuns in a 1-fight situation. | ||
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imMUTAble787
United States680 Posts
Could someone explain to me how to drop aggro from creeps and towers ? I've had a few games where I lost a major advantage mid because I harass and get aggro from 3 creeps and lose health that I shouldn't be losing  Same goes with clearing tower aggro without running out of tower range. I see people do it on streams etc all the time but haven't figured it out yet myself. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On April 30 2013 21:32 imMUTAble787 wrote: Hi, Could someone explain to me how to drop aggro from creeps and towers ? I've had a few games where I lost a major advantage mid because I harass and get aggro from 3 creeps and lose health that I shouldn't be losing Same goes with clearing tower aggro without running out of tower range. I see people do it on streams etc all the time but haven't figured it out yet myself. A-click (issue an attack command) a friendly unit. It makes creeps and towers reevaluate aggro. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
On April 30 2013 21:21 d_so wrote: Generally speaking, when you have 2 melee vs 2 ranged, most likely your two melee heroes have higher killing power whereas the two range are better at lane control. Lane control of is a more holistic thing: harassing, last hit/denying, etc. But the way dota has been designed now, when it comes to one instantaneous clash with full hp/mana/etc, two melee heroes are more likely to win out than two range. First, there's just the HP difference. In the early laning phase, manipulating creep damage is like 30~40% of the equation, and since melee heroes generally have higher HP than ranged heroes they can withstand more punishment from creep. (I know i'm being mister obvious here). So what I was talking about before was, if you're in a situation where both your heroes and their heroes are getting equally damaged by creep, you're more likely to win out as two melee heroes strictly because you have more HP. Also, generally speaking melee heroes have better stuns/slows and base damage. There are of course many exceptions to this, but once again generally speaking range heroes are better at chipping away at your HP, while melee heroes are better at chunking. There are so many exceptions to this that there is no point trying to list them. Going into a lane and judging which side is stronger because of ranged or melee is a horrible way to approach things, even for new players. Good players will always manipulate the lane in fine ways that extend beyond whether they are melee or ranged. | ||
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imMUTAble787
United States680 Posts
On April 30 2013 21:35 Qbek wrote: A-click (issue an attack command) a friendly unit. It makes creeps and towers reevaluate aggro. ahh ok. so does this only work if i have an allied unit or pet around me that is low enough for me to attempt to deny? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
On April 30 2013 22:08 imMUTAble787 wrote: ahh ok. so does this only work if i have an allied unit or pet around me that is low enough for me to attempt to deny? Nope, doesn't matter if the unit is actually deniable when you attack move it. The tower and enemy units will usually retarget the closest unit to it. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On April 30 2013 21:14 Zocat wrote: Situation: I'm the only support on the team, and realize at the 1min mark that the normal pullcamp is warded. In what order should I buy those items: courier upgrade, sentry wards (to deward), observer wards (for other spots on the map) All those 3 items should be bought right at the start in most cases. In pubgames in such a scenario I rather buy both wards and let the others know that someone has to buy a chicken because they're much more likely to spend a bit of gold or that than the other two. | ||
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Ryrmidon
Canada371 Posts
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