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Rodberd
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany531 Posts
April 24 2013 12:35 GMT
#8281
i started to like enigma but not sure how to set priority on my items.
usually i get clarities -> soulring -> normal boots -> BKB -> blink

how would you set the priorities for BKB/blink?
depending on the own team and opponents or just say "always get itemX first than itemY" ?

also a question, run enigma in the jungle (if no other jungler in team) or lane him (which lane?)?
Ooooh, look at it go
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 12:40:51
April 24 2013 12:40 GMT
#8282
On April 24 2013 21:35 Rodberd wrote:
i started to like enigma but not sure how to set priority on my items.
usually i get clarities -> soulring -> normal boots -> BKB -> blink

how would you set the priorities for BKB/blink?
depending on the own team and opponents or just say "always get itemX first than itemY" ?

also a question, run enigma in the jungle (if no other jungler in team) or lane him (which lane?)?

Your build, in most cases, should involve Soulring -> Mek -> BKB/Blink. Mek mostly because he's a very strong Mek carrier and can farm it quickly and easily. It also helps him in his role as a pusher. BKB/Blink depends on the individual game and your needs. You can also consider Linkens in some cases instead or on top of the BKB (think Beastmaster, VS, Rubick) but that's more of an edge case.

Enigma is the fastest jungler in the game which results in him being run there most of the time. His solo offlane is solid (denies and/or the ability to just jungle instead) and his mid is also very strong (denies+strong lasthitting with eidolons). However as I said his ability to jungle (hitting 6 before solos is reasonable) is just unparalleled.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
April 24 2013 13:19 GMT
#8283
On April 24 2013 19:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 17:52 StoRm_res wrote:
I'm wondering since a played a lot of meepo recently. If we 5 (ie 9 man) kill someone. How is the experience distributed? 1:5 for meepo, thus all meepos count as one hero, or 5 : 9 for meepo?

5 : 9. Each meepo counts as an individual hero.


Unfortunately, this is also true after meepo hits 25, so you'll waste quite a bit of experience in team fights.
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
tauon
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Australia1278 Posts
April 24 2013 14:31 GMT
#8284
On April 24 2013 22:19 FreeZer wrote:
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On April 24 2013 19:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 24 2013 17:52 StoRm_res wrote:
I'm wondering since a played a lot of meepo recently. If we 5 (ie 9 man) kill someone. How is the experience distributed? 1:5 for meepo, thus all meepos count as one hero, or 5 : 9 for meepo?

5 : 9. Each meepo counts as an individual hero.


Unfortunately, this is also true after meepo hits 25, so you'll waste quite a bit of experience in team fights.

iirc, heroes that reach level 25 no longer gain/leech exp once they reach level 25. I think that's been the case since 6.77, but I can't remember exactly
Road to 6sange
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
April 24 2013 15:38 GMT
#8285
Playdota says they do still leech exp, im pretty sure its right.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 24 2013 21:09 GMT
#8286
if you don't know what you're doing on enigma just do soul ring > brown boots > blink > bkb
bkb or mek first requires you to position well in every fight. blink punishes bad positioning really hard
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 21:18:20
April 24 2013 21:17 GMT
#8287
I'd propose that BKB allows you to make more positioning mistakes than Blink since you no longer HAVE to get every single disabler on their team. Soul ring > Boots > (Mek) > BKB > Blink imo.
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MSGHero
Profile Joined December 2012
United States147 Posts
April 24 2013 23:20 GMT
#8288
If you have mad 5-man black hole skills like me, then blink: you need to jump in instantly when you see an opening rather than waddling forward and having everyone run away (bkb draws attention to you in the middle of teamfights). Otherwise, or if they have a nyx who can break your channel with carapace, bkb.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 25 2013 00:51 GMT
#8289
Why disruptor is not picked more by progamers? Almost no damage I agree, but so much utility! Specially glimpse.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 01:01:17
April 25 2013 00:59 GMT
#8290
On April 25 2013 09:51 nojok wrote:
Why disruptor is not picked more by progamers? Almost no damage I agree, but so much utility! Specially glimpse.

Pretty much the only reason you pick Disruptor is for Glimpse, as any other support offers more of everything else. Glimpse was particularly strong in the era when Anti-Mage/QoP/Morphling were prevalent since you could simply pull them back after their blinks/waveform, possibly into your ultimate's silence, making them easier to gank. He was also picked when Nature's Prophet and Wisp/X were at their prime. AM/QoP/Morphling have all fallen off, and Furion/Wisp also had a period where they were picked less often. As Furion and Wisp are appearing much more often nowadays particularly in Western Dota, it wouldn't surprise me to see him picked a bit more soon as a counter to them.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 25 2013 02:10 GMT
#8291
Wisp cannot possibly appear more than he (she?) already has in western dota seeing as how it's almost an instaban or first pick
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 25 2013 02:28 GMT
#8292
On April 25 2013 11:10 KOFgokuon wrote:
Wisp cannot possibly appear more than he (she?) already has in western dota seeing as how it's almost an instaban or first pick

People just forget about heros sometimes


Like dirge just disappeared for a few weeks
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 25 2013 03:07 GMT
#8293
He hasn't really come back has he?
People stopped contesting trilanes so he hasn't been as needed. Other supports do better jobs of roaming / pushing so he's kinda useless right now
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 25 2013 03:08 GMT
#8294
On April 25 2013 12:07 KOFgokuon wrote:
He hasn't really come back has he?
People stopped contesting trilanes so he hasn't been as needed. Other supports do better jobs of roaming / pushing so he's kinda useless right now

he showed up in EG vs liquid and won hard, and in another series as well
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
April 25 2013 03:32 GMT
#8295
When do you get Crystal Maidens ult? I find that early, the channelling just gets interrupted, so I don't skill it immediately. I find the other 2 nukes have more utility in team fights until BKB. However I get almost universally flamed for this decision. Am I doing it wrong?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 03:36:45
April 25 2013 03:36 GMT
#8296
On April 25 2013 12:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
When do you get Crystal Maidens ult? I find that early, the channelling just gets interrupted, so I don't skill it immediately. I find the other 2 nukes have more utility in team fights until BKB. However I get almost universally flamed for this decision. Am I doing it wrong?

You generally wait till teamfights begin to start skilling it. For ganks and small skirmishes, your 2 nukes are typically better.

You shouldn't need BKB to make your ult usable in fights. Clever positioning (ramps/ledges, behind trees, etc.) should help you position your ult safely, you should try not to get in close until major spells are blown, and if people are going to kill you after that, a Ghost Scepter will probably be more beneficial if you're smart about waiting till major spells are blown before using it.
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DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
April 25 2013 04:06 GMT
#8297
On April 25 2013 12:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
When do you get Crystal Maidens ult? I find that early, the channelling just gets interrupted, so I don't skill it immediately. I find the other 2 nukes have more utility in team fights until BKB. However I get almost universally flamed for this decision. Am I doing it wrong?


I think people should level stuff according to the situation. I just had a game where a clockwerk didn't level his ulti until level 8, that's because we were in the middle of a teamfight, and max cogs or rockets would have been more helpful than the hook, plus he was short on mana.

Probably the main reason you should use the "level skill" hotkey: to level abilities in the middle of fights. This reminds me of when my keyboard was broken and it kept sending double key strokes, so I pressed "R" to level up magnus' ultimate and I ended up using it on the creeps. lol
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
April 25 2013 04:28 GMT
#8298
On April 25 2013 12:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 12:32 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
When do you get Crystal Maidens ult? I find that early, the channelling just gets interrupted, so I don't skill it immediately. I find the other 2 nukes have more utility in team fights until BKB. However I get almost universally flamed for this decision. Am I doing it wrong?

You generally wait till teamfights begin to start skilling it. For ganks and small skirmishes, your 2 nukes are typically better.

You shouldn't need BKB to make your ult usable in fights. Clever positioning (ramps/ledges, behind trees, etc.) should help you position your ult safely, you should try not to get in close until major spells are blown, and if people are going to kill you after that, a Ghost Scepter will probably be more beneficial if you're smart about waiting till major spells are blown before using it.


Ok, follow up question. How many heroes should I be trying to hit with it? If I'm off to the side waiting, then given her slow speed, I can't imagine getting into a prime position in time.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 25 2013 05:47 GMT
#8299
The prime benefit of CM ult in a teamfight isn't just the damage, it's that it controls space that your enemy either doesn't want to enter (if they're not in it), or that they want to move out of (if they are). You're not so much looking at "how many heroes do I want to it" but "where can I place the ult to be most disruptive to the enemy's movement/positioning?"
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 25 2013 06:15 GMT
#8300
imo you should always take cm ult at 6. 1 point in any of the other skills isn't going to make that much of a difference, and even in ganks and stuff you can freeze, walk up, and force a stun or put out a ton of damage

and yeah, just try to control space with cm ult. generally you're only going to be hitting 1 or 2 heroes with it, but if you can get a massive ult off go for it; cm ult damage output is ridiculously high, especially if you're lucky and all the blasts hit
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