• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:25
CEST 12:25
KST 19:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 238ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3591 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 414

Forum Index > Dota 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 412 413 414 415 416 1254 Next
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
April 23 2013 20:29 GMT
#8261
On April 24 2013 04:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 04:31 hooahah wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:29 Kupon3ss wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:27 hooahah wrote:
The likelyhood of the support putting both Obs AND Sentry is extremelly low. If the Support is 'good' enough to ward Roshan, then he's also poor as fuck because that's just how 5ths roll. He won't be able to constantly put 200-gold sentries every 3 minutes (well I guess it's actually 200 gold every 6 minutes but the point stands) because he needs those god-damn boots/bracer/arcane boots/whatever it is us poor supports have to scrounge up with our spare change.

though I guess if it's 200 gold for every 6 minutes then it's probably worth it since it 'shuts down' Ursa


you only need one sentry to catch a stupid ursa at rosh for a free kill and a free aegis


that's not how it works, sadly just because you only need 'one' effective sentry doesn't mean that you don't waste a lot of money on other sentries, just as if winning the lottery requires only one ticket.

I stand corrected however, it's most definitely worth it to sentry Roshan in case of an Ursa. A different possible solution though - just warding the jungle? that way you can keep tabs on how farmed the Ursa is, where he is (or isn't) and so on


You don't have enough wards to keep vision of the entire jungle.


I'm not suggesting the entire jungle be warded - only a critical spot, mostly to notice how close Ursa is to Vlads
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 23 2013 20:38 GMT
#8262
On April 24 2013 05:29 hooahah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 04:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:31 hooahah wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:29 Kupon3ss wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:27 hooahah wrote:
The likelyhood of the support putting both Obs AND Sentry is extremelly low. If the Support is 'good' enough to ward Roshan, then he's also poor as fuck because that's just how 5ths roll. He won't be able to constantly put 200-gold sentries every 3 minutes (well I guess it's actually 200 gold every 6 minutes but the point stands) because he needs those god-damn boots/bracer/arcane boots/whatever it is us poor supports have to scrounge up with our spare change.

though I guess if it's 200 gold for every 6 minutes then it's probably worth it since it 'shuts down' Ursa


you only need one sentry to catch a stupid ursa at rosh for a free kill and a free aegis


that's not how it works, sadly just because you only need 'one' effective sentry doesn't mean that you don't waste a lot of money on other sentries, just as if winning the lottery requires only one ticket.

I stand corrected however, it's most definitely worth it to sentry Roshan in case of an Ursa. A different possible solution though - just warding the jungle? that way you can keep tabs on how farmed the Ursa is, where he is (or isn't) and so on


You don't have enough wards to keep vision of the entire jungle.


I'm not suggesting the entire jungle be warded - only a critical spot, mostly to notice how close Ursa is to Vlads


How can tell how close he is to vlads when he is going to drop the last 1200 gold all at once? Not like he can use lifesteal.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 23 2013 21:17 GMT
#8263
On April 24 2013 05:01 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 04:27 hooahah wrote:oh yeah, my question - Clinkz. His whole purpose is to get a quick Orchid, gank people via silence&Strafe, right? so...what's to stop people from just TPing away, just like vs Bloodseeker?


Clinkz has reliable damage output (searing arrows and strafe), BS requires you to move in order to do his damage.

EDIT: technically he can't stop people from TPing away, but with an orchid and max arrows you should do enough to get the kill in the time it takes them to realize what is happening, then tp away.

To add to this: MKB is also a very common pick-up on clinkz for this reason.
The bigger 'counter' to clinkz tends to be ghost scepters though.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 21:26:04
April 23 2013 21:25 GMT
#8264
Real next-level clinkz players buy dagon to counter ghost sceptre >_>
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 23 2013 22:14 GMT
#8265
Anyway when the level is high enough for your team to put sentries near rosh it's also high enough for ursa to be useless. This heroe is so weak.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
April 24 2013 00:02 GMT
#8266
I dont think the solution to countering Ursa is so easy.

Yes in the case he smokes and rosh, u have a free kill on him, but if u just loose a big teamfight next to mid and Ursa has reasonnable hp left, he can just rosh fast before u rez.

If u loose all ur t1 and u spot ursa smoking in while you are at the other side of the map, then u wont have the time to go contest rosh
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
April 24 2013 00:26 GMT
#8267
On April 24 2013 07:14 nojok wrote:
Anyway when the level is high enough for your team to put sentries near rosh it's also high enough for ursa to be useless. This heroe is so weak.

Has been picked here and there competitively.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8903 Posts
April 24 2013 02:08 GMT
#8268
On April 24 2013 09:26 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 07:14 nojok wrote:
Anyway when the level is high enough for your team to put sentries near rosh it's also high enough for ursa to be useless. This heroe is so weak.

Has been picked here and there competitively.

it doesnt necessarily make him a strong hero. 99/100 games youll probably find reasons to pick any other hero over ursa
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 02:38:14
April 24 2013 02:36 GMT
#8269
There's a lot of cases where Ursa is a strong pick in a competitive game, it's just that the reasons for picking him aren't the same reasons as what makes him strong in a pub game, sneaking an early Rosh.
Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
April 24 2013 02:46 GMT
#8270
On April 24 2013 11:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 09:26 maru~ wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:14 nojok wrote:
Anyway when the level is high enough for your team to put sentries near rosh it's also high enough for ursa to be useless. This heroe is so weak.

Has been picked here and there competitively.

it doesnt necessarily make him a strong hero. 99/100 games youll probably find reasons to pick any other hero over ursa

That assumes there's such a thing as an actually bad hero... and while you could make arguments for some of them I don't think any of them would be great arguments, most heroes are viable in a competitive game in some way or another, meaning there's no level where your skill level is 'high enough for a hero to be useless'.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
April 24 2013 03:17 GMT
#8271
On April 24 2013 11:46 Cyx. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 11:08 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On April 24 2013 09:26 maru~ wrote:
On April 24 2013 07:14 nojok wrote:
Anyway when the level is high enough for your team to put sentries near rosh it's also high enough for ursa to be useless. This heroe is so weak.

Has been picked here and there competitively.

it doesnt necessarily make him a strong hero. 99/100 games youll probably find reasons to pick any other hero over ursa

That assumes there's such a thing as an actually bad hero... and while you could make arguments for some of them I don't think any of them would be great arguments, most heroes are viable in a competitive game in some way or another, meaning there's no level where your skill level is 'high enough for a hero to be useless'.


IMO, all heroes in the game are viable at all levels to some degree. The thing is that some are easier to exploit the weaknesses of than others.

Even Bloodseeker can be useful in certain situations if you consider what he does well and what he doesn't do well.

The biggest problem for Ursa has always been he needs others to help him lock down enemy heroes so he can hit them, but if you have the team to do it then it is no issue.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8903 Posts
April 24 2013 03:28 GMT
#8272
every hero is "viable" given they get the team composition required for them to accomplish what theyre good at. however, in cases like bloodseeker and ursa, even if you drafted a team that fits perfectly with those heroes, id still pick a different hero just cause they can probably not only do bloodseeker/ursa's job but do it better at that.
Cycore
Profile Joined October 2011
26 Posts
April 24 2013 06:20 GMT
#8273
How do I stop tower aggro on myself under a tower? Is there something I can do or is it something my team mate has to do?
Hello
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 24 2013 06:26 GMT
#8274
On April 24 2013 15:20 Cycore wrote:
How do I stop tower aggro on myself under a tower? Is there something I can do or is it something my team mate has to do?

Attack-move an allied unit (creep / hero). It's okay if the creep isn't in deny range, tower should shift aggro.
:)
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
April 24 2013 07:29 GMT
#8275
On April 24 2013 04:29 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 04:27 hooahah wrote:
The likelyhood of the support putting both Obs AND Sentry is extremelly low. If the Support is 'good' enough to ward Roshan, then he's also poor as fuck because that's just how 5ths roll. He won't be able to constantly put 200-gold sentries every 3 minutes (well I guess it's actually 200 gold every 6 minutes but the point stands) because he needs those god-damn boots/bracer/arcane boots/whatever it is us poor supports have to scrounge up with our spare change.

though I guess if it's 200 gold for every 6 minutes then it's probably worth it since it 'shuts down' Ursa


you only need one sentry to catch a stupid ursa at rosh for a free kill and a free aegis

When I rosh with ursa, I save my last overpower so I can kill him off in 2 seconds. If the enemy ganks me at Rosh, he will still probably be at 1/2 or 1/3 health.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
April 24 2013 08:38 GMT
#8276
On April 24 2013 05:03 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 04:43 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 24 2013 04:08 TheYango wrote:
Smoke Roshing is only relevant in that narrow skill range where players are smart enough to ward against early Rosh attempts, but not smart enough to also use sentries.


I'm not sure it's THAT narrow. My other comment being that smoke removes you from the minimap (much like PA's blur) so people have to spend time with their screen on the rosh entrance anyway. That seems pretty unlikely.

Eh, in pub games you're lucky if the supports even upgrade courier for you

Once you hit higher MMR levels, it's usually done automatically, and if not simply asking the supports politely will usually have it done. Of course you'll still get exceptions here and there. *cough*Nyovne*cough*

I SWORE TO REPENT FB. I'll deliver next game np.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
StoRm_res
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland891 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 08:52:24
April 24 2013 08:52 GMT
#8277
I'm wondering since a played a lot of meepo recently. If we 5 (ie 9 man) kill someone. How is the experience distributed? 1:5 for meepo, thus all meepos count as one hero, or 5 : 9 for meepo?
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 09:07:35
April 24 2013 09:07 GMT
#8278
League of Legends and Starcraft 2 both have this ranking system with "Gold" or "Diamond" leagues etc. Does Dota 2 have something similar, or will it have at any point?

I mean, is there any way to look at someones Dota 2 profile and easily say "He is in Bronze, and he is in GM, the Grand Master guy is presumably better"?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 24 2013 10:45 GMT
#8279
On April 24 2013 18:07 Greentellon wrote:
League of Legends and Starcraft 2 both have this ranking system with "Gold" or "Diamond" leagues etc. Does Dota 2 have something similar, or will it have at any point?

I mean, is there any way to look at someones Dota 2 profile and easily say "He is in Bronze, and he is in GM, the Grand Master guy is presumably better"?


You can filter replays from Normal - High - Very High. It's not as specific, but for gross comparisons like Bronze to GM it should be enough.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 10:50:28
April 24 2013 10:49 GMT
#8280
On April 24 2013 17:52 StoRm_res wrote:
I'm wondering since a played a lot of meepo recently. If we 5 (ie 9 man) kill someone. How is the experience distributed? 1:5 for meepo, thus all meepos count as one hero, or 5 : 9 for meepo?

5 : 9. Each meepo counts as an individual hero.
Moderator
Prev 1 412 413 414 415 416 1254 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #137
CranKy Ducklings41
LiquipediaDiscussion
RSL Revival
09:00
Season 6 - Group B
Solar vs NightMareLIVE!
Maru vs TBD
Tasteless1158
Ryung 655
IntoTheiNu 286
TKL 186
IndyStarCraft 180
Rex128
3DClanTV 63
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1158
Ryung 655
TKL 186
IndyStarCraft 180
Rex 128
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13072
Calm 6114
Bisu 1420
Hyuk 732
Shuttle 428
Horang2 351
Jaedong 290
BeSt 198
Soma 171
hero 156
[ Show more ]
Stork 155
Mong 143
Soulkey 115
actioN 97
Last 68
Sharp 61
EffOrt 61
Larva 52
Aegong 37
Mind 35
soO 32
sorry 31
HiyA 29
Killer 28
ZerO 28
scan(afreeca) 25
yabsab 24
sSak 21
NotJumperer 20
Noble 14
Hm[arnc] 13
JulyZerg 12
Sacsri 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
League of Legends
Doublelift2335
JimRising 647
Counter-Strike
x6flipin269
Sick197
Other Games
FrodaN554
ceh9552
crisheroes166
DeMusliM130
RuFF_SC216
ZerO(Twitch)5
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3110
Upcoming Events
IPSL
5h 35m
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
1d
Replay Cast
1d 13h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.