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On April 25 2013 23:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 22:34 TheSubtleArt wrote:On April 25 2013 22:14 evilfatsh1t wrote:On April 25 2013 18:14 TheYango wrote:
Nyx has the least farm on your team, the Mek SHOULD be on you.
Mek is an important midgame item timing. It should be gotten on the highest position hero that can comfortably buy it. It should not be forced onto lower position heroes because delaying it vastly weakens the strength of the item timing.
10 minute Mek wins games. 15 minute Mek enables a strong push timing. 20 minute Mek bolsters teamfighting somewhat. 30 minute Mek does nothing. you mean " lowest position hero that can comfortably buy it"? otherwise youre implying the carry should get it *Comfortably buy it* A carry can't comfortably spend 2.3k for first item Mek cause that would delay the items he needs to carry by a fuck ton. im taking "comfortably buy it" to mean someone who can afford it without giving up too much (in this case, the timings), because thats what it normally means when people speak english. highest position means carry. therefore the sentence means that the carry should get the mek. if you dont see the mistake in that sentence then i am having doubts about the canadian education system
it seems like you don`t want to understand it. the sentence means SOME carries should go mek beacuse they "can afford it without giving up too much". in the majority of games this is not the case.
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On April 25 2013 23:53 phos4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 23:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:On April 25 2013 22:34 TheSubtleArt wrote:On April 25 2013 22:14 evilfatsh1t wrote:On April 25 2013 18:14 TheYango wrote:
Nyx has the least farm on your team, the Mek SHOULD be on you.
Mek is an important midgame item timing. It should be gotten on the highest position hero that can comfortably buy it. It should not be forced onto lower position heroes because delaying it vastly weakens the strength of the item timing.
10 minute Mek wins games. 15 minute Mek enables a strong push timing. 20 minute Mek bolsters teamfighting somewhat. 30 minute Mek does nothing. you mean " lowest position hero that can comfortably buy it"? otherwise youre implying the carry should get it *Comfortably buy it* A carry can't comfortably spend 2.3k for first item Mek cause that would delay the items he needs to carry by a fuck ton. im taking "comfortably buy it" to mean someone who can afford it without giving up too much (in this case, the timings), because thats what it normally means when people speak english. highest position means carry. therefore the sentence means that the carry should get the mek. if you dont see the mistake in that sentence then i am having doubts about the canadian education system it seems like you don`t want to understand it. the sentence means SOME carries should go mek beacuse they "can afford it without giving up too much". in the majority of games this is not the case.
Its just something that seems way too obvious to be worth mentioning
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On April 25 2013 23:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 22:34 TheSubtleArt wrote:On April 25 2013 22:14 evilfatsh1t wrote:On April 25 2013 18:14 TheYango wrote:
Nyx has the least farm on your team, the Mek SHOULD be on you.
Mek is an important midgame item timing. It should be gotten on the highest position hero that can comfortably buy it. It should not be forced onto lower position heroes because delaying it vastly weakens the strength of the item timing.
10 minute Mek wins games. 15 minute Mek enables a strong push timing. 20 minute Mek bolsters teamfighting somewhat. 30 minute Mek does nothing. you mean " lowest position hero that can comfortably buy it"? otherwise youre implying the carry should get it *Comfortably buy it* A carry can't comfortably spend 2.3k for first item Mek cause that would delay the items he needs to carry by a fuck ton. im taking "comfortably buy it" to mean someone who can afford it without giving up too much (in this case, the timings), because thats what it normally means when people speak english. highest position means carry. therefore the sentence means that the carry should get the mek. if you dont see the mistake in that sentence then i am having doubts about the canadian education system
Yes, there are a lot of carries that can comfortably buy it, and when they can, they should.
OD is a good Mek holder. Silencer is a good Mek holder. Viper and Naga are situationally good Mek holders depending on what other items they chose to get.
Obviously the majority of carries aren't comfortable Mek users because the item's mana demand tends to be beyond what they can support at the timings where it's good.
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Are there any pro games in recent memory where someone got a bloodstone? I feel like it's too snowbally to be common at that level, but maybe someone had a good team for it or early kills or something, and they decided to get one. Just played a necro game, and I got it at 13 mins (safelane farm); would the same have occurred in a pro game, or would they have gotten like a 8-10 min mek?
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On April 26 2013 03:30 MSGHero wrote:
Are there any pro games in recent memory where someone got a bloodstone? I feel like it's too snowbally to be common at that level, but maybe someone had a good team for it or early kills or something, and they decided to get one. Just played a necro game, and I got it at 13 mins (safelane farm); would the same have occurred in a pro game, or would they have gotten like a 8-10 min mek?
Liquid'Korok got a bloodstone as a mid storm spirit a while ago. I can't remember the game but I have a feeling that he bought it after (?!) orchid when liquid had gained midgame dominance with lifestealer and SS.
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On April 26 2013 03:38 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 03:30 MSGHero wrote:
Are there any pro games in recent memory where someone got a bloodstone? I feel like it's too snowbally to be common at that level, but maybe someone had a good team for it or early kills or something, and they decided to get one. Just played a necro game, and I got it at 13 mins (safelane farm); would the same have occurred in a pro game, or would they have gotten like a 8-10 min mek? Liquid'Korok got a bloodstone as a mid storm spirit a while ago. I can't remember the game but I have a feeling that he bought it after (?!) orchid when liquid had gained midgame dominance with lifestealer and SS.
I've really only seen Korok pick it up. I've seen him given freefarm safelane farm on Storm Spirit before and go BS first and TL do a big 5 man push on the direside safelane.
It worked.
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Bloodstone is like, situationally good on storm spirit and virtually no other heroes  . It suffers from the "too much regen" problem, where when you spend too much on regen the item loses combat efficiency.
Okay both timbersaw and leshrac use the item pretty well but timbersaw is kinda a bad hero and leshrac doesn't often get that level of farm these days.
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Is there a general rule for what debuffs spells based off of avatar (like bkb and naix's rage) remove? I used to think it always dispelled slows until I learned there were weird exceptions like veno's gale going through if it was cast before naix used rage.
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On April 26 2013 03:56 kazahara3403 wrote:
Is there a general rule for what debuffs spells based off of avatar (like bkb and naix's rage) remove? I used to think it always dispelled slows until I learned there were weird exceptions like veno's gale going through if it was cast before naix used rage.
It's dota. No rules here!
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On April 26 2013 03:56 kazahara3403 wrote:
Is there a general rule for what debuffs spells based off of avatar (like bkb and naix's rage) remove? I used to think it always dispelled slows until I learned there were weird exceptions like veno's gale going through if it was cast before naix used rage.
It depends on the base spell in the Warcraft 3 editor. Which unfortunately is going to feel archaic and arbitrary to anyone with no familiarity with it.
The base ability "Envenomed Weapons" (which some slow+DoT spells, including Veno's poison, are based on) does magic damage but applies a slow effect that is retained through magic immunity.
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On April 26 2013 03:56 kazahara3403 wrote:
Is there a general rule for what debuffs spells based off of avatar (like bkb and naix's rage) remove? I used to think it always dispelled slows until I learned there were weird exceptions like veno's gale going through if it was cast before naix used rage.
If it can't be purged it isn't dispelled by becoming magic immune sounds like a good starting place, but I imagine there are twelve exceptions to that.
Slow poison typically does physical damage akin to Beastmaster's Boar though. These abilities go through magic immunity as well since they do physical damage. Envenomed weapons is a slow poison ability and pierces magic immunity (damage and slow).
What ability is gale based on? Is it just a shockwave that applies the poison if it hits?
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I thought it was shadow strike, since gale deals damage in shadow strike's signature 3 second interval and veno used to have shadow strike before it changed to gale, but slow poison or envenomed weapons makes more sense, as I remember they were considered physical passive abilities in wc3
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On April 26 2013 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote:Bloodstone is like, situationally good on storm spirit and virtually no other heroes . It suffers from the "too much regen" problem, where when you spend too much on regen the item loses combat efficiency. Okay both timbersaw and leshrac use the item pretty well but timbersaw is kinda a bad hero and leshrac doesn't often get that level of farm these days.
Timbersaw is a great hero, you take that back
Really though it is as you said. If you get 1 good item first for storm (orchid) and then are snowballing from there bloodstone is awesome. On Timber it is pretty good as well, but situational still.
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Why do people always say in my games:
"We need a tank"?
Says who? If they made a new hero, The Tank, with a 30 str gain and attack speed of 12 seconds, having no spells other than 4 instances of Flesh Heap, would he be useful in the slightest? Unless you're Axe, nothing about a high HP hero is going to force the enemy team to waste their burst on him unless they're just stupid. Yet almost every game a "Tank" is demanded and I get whined at for questioning it.
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On April 26 2013 05:24 Kmatt wrote:
Why do people always say in my games:
"We need a tank"?
Says who? If they made a new hero, The Tank, with a 30 str gain and attack speed of 12 seconds, having no spells other than 4 instances of Flesh Heap, would he be useful in the slightest? Unless you're Axe, nothing about a high HP hero is going to force the enemy team to waste their burst on him unless they're just stupid. Yet almost every game a "Tank" is demanded and I get whined at for questioning it.
It's an old concept that is also prevalent in LoL where people need a tank in the front of their team to tank various spammable-but-relatively-low-damage skillshots from the enemy. You're right in that 'tank' is redundant in today's Dota. What they really want is an initiator, but they don't know it.
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On April 26 2013 05:30 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:24 Kmatt wrote:
Why do people always say in my games:
"We need a tank"?
Says who? If they made a new hero, The Tank, with a 30 str gain and attack speed of 12 seconds, having no spells other than 4 instances of Flesh Heap, would he be useful in the slightest? Unless you're Axe, nothing about a high HP hero is going to force the enemy team to waste their burst on him unless they're just stupid. Yet almost every game a "Tank" is demanded and I get whined at for questioning it. It's an old concept that is also prevalent in LoL where people need a tank in the front of their team to tank various spammable-but-relatively-low-damage skillshots from the enemy. You're right in that 'tank' is redundant in today's Dota. What they really want is an initiator, but they don't know it.
I always cringe whenever someone talks about team composition in terms of str / agi / int, rather than the actual makeup of the heroes / roles and what they are trying to accomplish. "NO STR HEROES?!?!?!"
This is even worse when CASTERS do this.
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In lower pubs sometimes a 'tank' can actually substitute for an initiator which may be where the confusion is coming from. Take a Bristleback, Spiritbreaker, Undying, or really anyone with a heart/tank items and stick him out in front. Pubs with low coordination and bad patience will just start blowing stuns and abilities to burst them down giving your team a free reign to waltz in and start fighting. I'm guessing that perpetuates the myth of needing a tank.
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what are cards on a similar performance level to the 7790?
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On April 26 2013 06:26 waffling1 wrote:
what are cards on a similar performance level to the 7790?
Wrong forum?
According to google, GTX 650 is comparable. The GTX 660 isn't unreasonable either, and is quite a bit better. 
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On April 26 2013 06:30 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:26 waffling1 wrote:
what are cards on a similar performance level to the 7790? Wrong forum? According to google, GTX 650 is comparable. The GTX 660 isn't unreasonable either, and is quite a bit better.
Haha he probably picked the wrong simple questions simple answers thread
@bloodstone thing above, blitz always goes bloodstone on his storm, could probably find some vods on YT.
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