EPTI personally prefer going 4-4-1 but going 1-4-4 could be viable if the enemy is lacking disables and you have high autoattack uptime.
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
I personally prefer going 4-4-1 but going 1-4-4 could be viable if the enemy is lacking disables and you have high autoattack uptime. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
1-4-4 is funnier tho. | ||
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Raejden
Austria12 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On April 19 2013 17:53 Raejden wrote: By health stacking I meant getting an early vitality booster and afterwards if necessary an eye of skadi and heart, since you got your ult and dark pact and even pounce if the enemy team uses everything on you (and in case you can pounce away) A lot of that is over the top. Skadi is fine since it's a great item on slark anyway, but the heart is unnecessary. You already have plenty of regen. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8903 Posts
On April 19 2013 12:42 Dead9 wrote: except u could have a yasha hotd skadi instead for the same cost and be stronger at fighting and at farming skadi's build up is just as bad as linkens or butterfly, maybe even worse. on top of that you dont need the slow from skadi because you already have one in your ultimate, and ideally your teammates should be holding them down for you. the only thing you really get is just mass stats, but once you get a bfly and even later a satanic, youll find that youre not even needing the extra stats from skadi anyway. as for farming, the difference in speed is negligible. you only need to auto atk twice before throwing one snake to clear a wave. medusa needs dmg and tankiness at the same time, and skadi doesnt provide the dmg aspect. butterfly does | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
skadi + yasha + hotd is cheaper than bfly + linkens the farm speed is negligible but why would u go for a build that's worse at teamfighting and slightly worse at farming skadi provides almost 1.5k hp/mp for dusa, pretty much nothing is gonna top that in terms of survivability basically linkens sucks, mystic snake barely costs mana anyway, and dusa doesn't have an easy time escaping ganks even with linkens | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8903 Posts
On April 19 2013 20:13 Dead9 wrote: the buildup's as bad as linkens or bfly, but i thought that's what we were comparing it to? skadi + yasha + hotd is cheaper than bfly + linkens the farm speed is negligible but why would u go for a build that's worse at teamfighting and slightly worse at farming skadi provides almost 1.5k hp/mp for dusa, pretty much nothing is gonna top that in terms of survivability basically linkens sucks, mystic snake barely costs mana anyway, and dusa doesn't have an easy time escaping ganks even with linkens yeah i pointed out that the buildup was worse because its relevant to the discussion. i didnt understand how you thought skadi could be more beneficial to a medusa than linkens, and so i assumed that you thought the benefit of going skadi would be an easier buildup. however that is not the case, its much harder to build a skadi than a linkens. on top of that, the utility of spell block + the regen is hugely important when medusa tries to farm. perseverance alone gives enough regen to provide medusa with almost infinite mystic snakes, whereas raw stats doesnt. not to mention that if youre lane is hard, youll probably need the regen from ring of health too, whereas with skadi youd be hugging the tower with treads and aquila/rob waiting for help or the courier to ferry you some regen. and the teamfight isnt necessarily better, skadi+yasha+hotd might be better than linkens+manta, but linkens+manta will get the bfly out first, assuming you want to complete manta in the skadi build. so youre only better in teamfights for 10-15mins, but that doesnt really matter because any team with a medusa would be trying to avoid teamfights as much as possible until she gets a big dmg item (usually bfly). so in conclusion linkens has an easier build up to bfly (around 2k ahead if you complete manta with skadi) and similar if not better farming speed (much better early game). | ||
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MSGHero
United States147 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 20 2013 01:57 MSGHero wrote: How does offlane furion work? Do I start there or just forgo the lane for the jungle if it's a tri? What about if the supports leave the carry alone and go to other lanes, should I still be maxing trees if I decide to go down there 1v1? Generally you send some treants to intercept the enemy creep wave before it arrives at the enemy tier 1 tower, and then make the creeps chase your treants through the forest to your tier 1, so that you can farm them from the safety of your tower. Depending on the enemy trilane, sometimes you can't even do that and you have to start in the jungle. If the enemy abandons their carry you max treants, summon them, then right click them on the enemy hero and harass him out of lane. Meanwhile you harass/lasthit as normal with your insane attack animation. If you are getting enough xp/farm to not need to jungle, but are not able to harass effectively, maxing TP can be right (usually after 2 in treants though) so that you can gank mid/safelane as often as possible and still get back to your lane. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 20 2013 04:49 aintz wrote: pretty much none runs furion offlane unless its against another solo. the creep pull doesnt even work anymore with a tanky bear from ld cuz ppl in trilane just kills it, treants would just get demolished. If he doesn't know how to do it properly there is a pretty good chance his opponents don't know how to stop it  . | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On April 19 2013 23:22 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah i pointed out that the buildup was worse because its relevant to the discussion. i didnt understand how you thought skadi could be more beneficial to a medusa than linkens, and so i assumed that you thought the benefit of going skadi would be an easier buildup. however that is not the case, its much harder to build a skadi than a linkens. on top of that, the utility of spell block + the regen is hugely important when medusa tries to farm. perseverance alone gives enough regen to provide medusa with almost infinite mystic snakes, whereas raw stats doesnt. not to mention that if youre lane is hard, youll probably need the regen from ring of health too, whereas with skadi youd be hugging the tower with treads and aquila/rob waiting for help or the courier to ferry you some regen. and the teamfight isnt necessarily better, skadi+yasha+hotd might be better than linkens+manta, but linkens+manta will get the bfly out first, assuming you want to complete manta in the skadi build. so youre only better in teamfights for 10-15mins, but that doesnt really matter because any team with a medusa would be trying to avoid teamfights as much as possible until she gets a big dmg item (usually bfly). so in conclusion linkens has an easier build up to bfly (around 2k ahead if you complete manta with skadi) and similar if not better farming speed (much better early game). it's the other way around, linkens -> w.e is noticably stronger from when you finish linkens to when you finish your next big item, so for about 10 minutes midgame, which is significant, but hotd + yasha is a lot stronger mid-lategame if you don't have to participate too much snake only costs like 80 mana if you launch it properly tbh linkens isn't that bad, especially if they have a bunch of single-target stuns, but i don't think it's worth going every game | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8903 Posts
On April 20 2013 06:07 Dead9 wrote: it's the other way around, linkens -> w.e is noticably stronger from when you finish linkens to when you finish your next big item, so for about 10 minutes midgame, which is significant, but hotd + yasha is a lot stronger mid-lategame if you don't have to participate too much snake only costs like 80 mana if you launch it properly tbh linkens isn't that bad, especially if they have a bunch of single-target stuns, but i don't think it's worth going every game obviously there are exceptions for every game. i was merely pointing out the reasoning for what is considered to be the "standard" medusa build. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
I would not advise to rush linken after perseverance but it's often worth to complete it at one point or another after investing so much. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On April 20 2013 08:45 mizU wrote: Is jungling efficiency based on creep luck? Not entirely, but it's definitely a big factor. Damned hellbears destroying hopes and dreams. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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