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On April 11 2013 16:33 TheYango wrote:
You activate it so that it hits you during the 0.1 second invuln time.

Takes some practice and requires pretty low ping to do consistently.

On April 12 2013 21:13 Andr3 wrote:
No it isn't. Run a test map and practice it, I assure you the only thing you need to do is follow the enemy spell-cast animation and learn the timing.

As long as you have consistent ping it doesn't matter if it's 50 or 200. You get accustomed to either one eventually.

I'm not saying it's exactly easy to do, because in the middle of teamfights and during the game when there's bunch of stuff happening you'll have to be really aware to pull-off manta dodging, but it all comes down to practice. No luck or low ping required.(just consistent ping)

On April 12 2013 22:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:

practicing a set situation over and over in a controlled environment (i.e test game) is not the same as pulling it off in a normal game. to be able to pull it off in a normal game you need a substantial amount of luck, because its impossible for you to be concentrating solely on dodging that stun with manta, unless that was your intention from the beginning, which means you probably werent concentrating on the game itself.

On April 12 2013 22:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:

practicing a set situation over and over in a controlled environment (i.e test game) is not the same as pulling it off in a normal game. to be able to pull it off in a normal game you need a substantial amount of luck, because its impossible for you to be concentrating solely on dodging that stun with manta, unless that was your intention from the beginning, which means you probably werent concentrating on the game itself.

On April 12 2013 22:34 TOCHMY wrote:


Multitasking is one of the things that makes good players great.

On April 12 2013 22:44 r.Evo wrote:

Since it's important for the sake of understanding what goes on in our brains: For most people multitasking is a myth. It doesn't work and it's not time efficient. Instead of trying to "multitask" (e.g. lasthitting while positioning to avoid harass while watching the minimap while memorizing important cooldowns) it is much more efficient to focus on organized serial tasking. A pattern like "Watch minimap -> adjust positioning -> lasthit -> check clock for when cooldowns are off -> repeat" is a stronger option when you care for time efficiency.

What most people confuse with multitasking is being called "continuous partial attention" (CPA), which, in the above example would mean focussing on lasthitting/positioning while relying on peripheral vision for the minimap and an important time at the clock. This is different because it means that each individual task is not executed at 100% performance.

tl;dr: Depending on the situation it is important to switch between focus, serial tasking and CPA. Now which is the strongest in which situation is a whole different ballgame but it's important to know that these things exist and have different goals.

On April 12 2013 22:33 r.Evo wrote:

Wrong. Every single skill can and should be - if you aim for time efficient improvement - practiced in a vacuum. Even better it is easier to practice skills in a vacuum and leads to better results quicker. Why? Because you're able to consciously practice things to the point where they become unconscious.

Practicing slow, practicing isolated tasks in controlled environments are the prime tools for getting better at a certain skill. They usually aren't what people consider "fun" though, that's why gaming communities tend to not acknowledge them.

On April 13 2013 01:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:

practicing those skills in controlled environments dont prepare you for variables. when you know the stun is coming because YOU cast it, its much easier than when you have to be on the lookout for when a different person decides to throw the stun. you dont practice build orders against bots, you practice against people. and things like these when the margin for error is so small (0.1seconds to quote yango), its impossible to say you can consistently and reliably dodge the stun when you have to account for the hundreds of other things that could be going on at the same time.

On April 13 2013 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
I thought syllas can dodge damage?

On April 13 2013 01:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:

practicing those skills in controlled environments dont prepare you for variables. when you know the stun is coming because YOU cast it, its much easier than when you have to be on the lookout for when a different person decides to throw the stun. you dont practice build orders against bots, you practice against people. and things like these when the margin for error is so small (0.1seconds to quote yango), its impossible to say you can consistently and reliably dodge the stun when you have to account for the hundreds of other things that could be going on at the same time.

On April 13 2013 03:54 r.Evo wrote:

What you're saying is equivalent to someone telling a Boxer that training footwork outside of the ring is stupid because it's not part of a real fight. It's wrong.

Isolated practice is the conscious effort to practice a certain skill. Enough practice means said skill can be executed more and more unconsciously at which point random variables matter less and less. This is more time-efficient than building a Manta on every hero for the next thousand games and trying to dodge projectiles with it.

PS: People who practice a new build order in real games and not in singleplayer until they get their execution right are equally practicing badly. The multiplayer variant allows you to practice lots of different skills at once (most of which will be highly inefficient) and might be more fun (which is the main reason people do it). It is not more time-efficient however.

On April 13 2013 04:26 Mandini wrote:
I would argue that dodging stormhammer is a mechanic

On April 13 2013 04:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
edit: ok. so i just tested this shit. is it just me or is dodging svens stun just like dodging any other projectile. last i checked (atleast in dota1), svens stun still hit you after you popped manta.

On April 13 2013 04:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
edit: ok. so i just tested this shit. is it just me or is dodging svens stun just like dodging any other projectile. last i checked (atleast in dota1), svens stun still hit you after you popped manta.