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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
April 10 2013 04:13 GMT
#7921
On April 10 2013 10:21 wooozy wrote:
speaking of rhasta, can his wards break ta's meld like furion can with sprout

Don't believe so. Rhasta's wards place themselves around any units they are on top of, unlike Sprout, which pushes the units around the trees.
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Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
April 10 2013 12:22 GMT
#7922
Hi there,
does anyone knows if when you own a manta style you can use it, then use refresher orb then use it again for a total of 4 simutaneous illu ?

Thx.
What i know is that I know nothing - [http://twitter.com/UncleKerm]
MightyHammer
Profile Joined January 2012
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 12:41:57
April 10 2013 12:41 GMT
#7923
As an ex-sc2 spectator (and still a passionate fan of players like HuK, HerO and NesTea)is there a streamer who streams constantly who is a great personality similar in concept to ROOTDestiny, or Day[9], and what is the main progaming streams (like Gomtv for sc and the GSL every now and again).
Link me up if you can, and thanks anyway.
I love you in advance. Thankyou very much!

EDIT: Got carried away... IN THE DOTA 2 COMMUNITY
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#7924
On April 10 2013 21:22 Kerm wrote:
Hi there,
does anyone knows if when you own a manta style you can use it, then use refresher orb then use it again for a total of 4 simutaneous illu ?

Thx.

I'm fairly certain the manta illusions get replaced.
:)
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 10 2013 12:45 GMT
#7925
On April 10 2013 21:41 MightyHammer wrote:
As an ex-sc2 spectator (and still a passionate fan of players like HuK, HerO and NesTea)is there a streamer who streams constantly who is a great personality similar in concept to ROOTDestiny, or Day[9], and what is the main progaming streams (like Gomtv for sc and the GSL every now and again).
Link me up if you can, and thanks anyway.
I love you in advance. Thankyou very much!

EDIT: Got carried away... IN THE DOTA 2 COMMUNITY

Singsing, notail, merlini, dendi, puppey.
The main progaming streams are probably tobi wan kenobi and BeyondTheSummit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
April 10 2013 12:52 GMT
#7926
On April 10 2013 21:41 MightyHammer wrote:
As an ex-sc2 spectator (and still a passionate fan of players like HuK, HerO and NesTea)is there a streamer who streams constantly who is a great personality similar in concept to ROOTDestiny, or Day[9], and what is the main progaming streams (like Gomtv for sc and the GSL every now and again).
Link me up if you can, and thanks anyway.
I love you in advance. Thankyou very much!

EDIT: Got carried away... IN THE DOTA 2 COMMUNITY

Destiny would be singsing, day9 would be merlini. Many other Dota streams are worth watching as well. For gomtv equivalents you can just look at the calendar on the right sidebar, all the tournament streams should be there.
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Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
April 10 2013 14:18 GMT
#7927
I just played a game with Lone Druid vs a Puck + Drow Ranger lane, and is it me or should Drow's slow not last 7 seconds on the Spirit Bear? It was impossible to get hits on the Drow and harassing with my Bear, or even last hitting, was a giant pain!

If I ever face a Drow in lane again, how should I deal with her? Just try my best to last hit / deny and don't bother harassing with the bear?
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 10 2013 14:25 GMT
#7928
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
April 10 2013 16:39 GMT
#7929
On April 10 2013 21:22 Kerm wrote:
Hi there,
does anyone knows if when you own a manta style you can use it, then use refresher orb then use it again for a total of 4 simutaneous illu ?

Thx.


Interesting question. Short answer is that you can not have more than 2 illusions per hero in dota 2 using manta. The first ones will be destroyed and remade.

There was an awesome bug in dota 1 where the number of illusions you could make was 2x the number of mantas, since illusions were tied to the item, not the hero.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 19:49:50
April 10 2013 19:44 GMT
#7930
On April 10 2013 23:25 Erasme wrote:
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health

Well, considering its a dual lane, chances are LD is going to lose that lane and lose it bad (assuming they let you get near exp without killing you before level 5. once your level 5, all you can do is just auto attack with bear on whoever is in range).

I suppose all you can do is really catch them offguard and pull creeps when they dont expect it.

Edit: if they don't let me pull creeps well, I probably would consider going to jungle.
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 20:05:54
April 10 2013 19:59 GMT
#7931
On April 11 2013 04:44 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:25 Erasme wrote:
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health

Well, considering its a dual lane, chances are LD is going to lose that lane and lose it bad (assuming they let you get near exp without killing you before level 5. once your level 5, all you can do is just auto attack with bear on whoever is in range).

I suppose all you can do is really catch them offguard and pull creeps when they dont expect it.

Edit: if they don't let me pull creeps well, I probably would consider going to jungle.


If you're playing a solo hard lane LD and not pulling creeps with the bear, then IMO, you're doing it wrong. Especially since they fixed it so you can't trap the bear at level 1 anymore.

In your example (just curious btw, what were the other heroes?) drow/puck have no way of stopping you (especially if drow doesn't go level 1 frost arrows) and you can probably get a double creep wave pull at level 1 against them.

Do this and you'll force them to use their regen early (bad for them) or miss xp (also bad for them). You'll also probably be level 2-2.5 depending on how well you did with this which is exactly the lead you need to be able to be fine in lane. Just worry about getting xp after that, then when they are severely underleveled get friends and kill.

Also as an aside, puck/drow both need items to have any kind of impact in mid game so you have to realize that by laning together they are killing their own midgame.

EDIT: Oh and also remember xp range is about the same as the bear's leash range, so just cs at max range and use only the bear to make it so the enemy has to move forward to harass you.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 11 2013 01:04 GMT
#7932
On April 11 2013 04:44 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:25 Erasme wrote:
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health

Well, considering its a dual lane, chances are LD is going to lose that lane and lose it bad (assuming they let you get near exp without killing you before level 5. once your level 5, all you can do is just auto attack with bear on whoever is in range).

I suppose all you can do is really catch them offguard and pull creeps when they dont expect it.

Edit: if they don't let me pull creeps well, I probably would consider going to jungle.

It's extremely difficult for people to block the offlane bear pull, the creeps dont lose aggro if you stay in range so your bear might take some damage but you should definitely be able to get quite a bit of exp/farm. Unless they can towerdive you, there's really no reason to jungle instead of solo offlane.
:)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
April 11 2013 01:14 GMT
#7933
On April 11 2013 10:04 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 04:44 Comeh wrote:
On April 10 2013 23:25 Erasme wrote:
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health

Well, considering its a dual lane, chances are LD is going to lose that lane and lose it bad (assuming they let you get near exp without killing you before level 5. once your level 5, all you can do is just auto attack with bear on whoever is in range).

I suppose all you can do is really catch them offguard and pull creeps when they dont expect it.

Edit: if they don't let me pull creeps well, I probably would consider going to jungle.

It's extremely difficult for people to block the offlane bear pull, the creeps dont lose aggro if you stay in range so your bear might take some damage but you should definitely be able to get quite a bit of exp/farm. Unless they can towerdive you, there's really no reason to jungle instead of solo offlane.

couple heros can stop it outright. Like Bane.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
April 11 2013 03:41 GMT
#7934
On April 10 2013 21:22 Kerm wrote:
Hi there,
does anyone knows if when you own a manta style you can use it, then use refresher orb then use it again for a total of 4 simutaneous illu ?

Thx.


Actually it's even more relevant than you think in that some tinkers go for manta style - which can be rearmed. The illusions however, as have been stated before, get replaced on each activation of manta T.T
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 11 2013 04:07 GMT
#7935
I haven't seen a tinker go manta since they changed it from using diffusal blade. Aka YEARS ago lol
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
April 11 2013 04:07 GMT
#7936
On April 11 2013 13:07 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't seen a tinker go manta since they changed it from using diffusal blade. Aka YEARS ago lol

I still do it from time to time as a 6th item.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 11 2013 04:28 GMT
#7937
it's decent sometimes cus it removes silence
also it's nice for splitpushing cus you can chip away at towers until they die
MSGHero
Profile Joined December 2012
United States147 Posts
April 11 2013 04:30 GMT
#7938
On April 11 2013 13:07 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't seen a tinker go manta since they changed it from using diffusal blade. Aka YEARS ago lol

I do it if I'm not going dagon + eblade. Order depends, usually after shivas unless there's something to manta dodge like sven stun (blink/force, the other one if it's necessary, sheep, shivas, manta).
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 11 2013 07:13 GMT
#7939
On April 11 2013 04:44 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 23:25 Erasme wrote:
attacking her to death once you're level 5 or even before if you have an orb of venom and she has less than 60% health

Well, considering its a dual lane, chances are LD is going to lose that lane and lose it bad (assuming they let you get near exp without killing you before level 5. once your level 5, all you can do is just auto attack with bear on whoever is in range).

I suppose all you can do is really catch them offguard and pull creeps when they dont expect it.

Edit: if they don't let me pull creeps well, I probably would consider going to jungle.

puck/drow has no way to kill ld. You can pull the wave if they pull or simply block the spawn when you see puck trying to stack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8898 Posts
April 11 2013 07:18 GMT
#7940
On April 11 2013 13:30 MSGHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 13:07 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't seen a tinker go manta since they changed it from using diffusal blade. Aka YEARS ago lol

I do it if I'm not going dagon + eblade. Order depends, usually after shivas unless there's something to manta dodge like sven stun (blink/force, the other one if it's necessary, sheep, shivas, manta).

how exactly do you dodge sven stun with manta?
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