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On January 30 2014 22:56 ChunderBoy wrote:
Stop playing ranked, train 1 rly strong mid hero for like 10-20 games in a row in normal pubs or inhouses or anything...
TA/Storm are prolly best.
Then main them in ranked.
There is absolutely no better way to get out of the trench than playing the mid heroes that can gank 1v5 and stuff.
There is no trench. 500 more MMR doesn't put you into heaven where your team plays like DK and the opponents are headless chickens.
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Change your hero pool. Some heroes are more team dependent than others. For me whenever I'm desperate to come back from a losing streak I just play storm. Best hero for punishing enemy mistakes.
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my ticket is aggressive roaming supports
fun and effective
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On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player. yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit
If you magically gained 1.5k MMR, your team would be better and your opposition would be better yes. But you would not be. Thus you'd be losing more games than you'd be winning, and in fact, you'd more than likely be the reason your team would be losing. (Ie. you'd be the person that you're blaming your losses on now. "Man what is this kid doing in 4k MMR he sucks." --> "Man what is this kid doing in 5k MMR he sucks.")
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On January 30 2014 16:07 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 06:27 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No it will be the same, ~50%. yes. 50% at higher play. better games = more fun Obviously. The problem is that the people you would play with wouldn't agree since you're dragging them down. If you were good enough to play on their level, you would be. At the moment, you're good enough to play in "scum bracket". I mean, I don't even play ranked yet, I would LOVE to play with pro players, the games would be awesome. For me, that is, obviously not for them.
ok you dont play in ranked yet you talk about how it works..... you obviously have no clue how it even works so why are you even here talking about this issue
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On January 31 2014 03:19 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player. yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit If you magically gained 1.5k MMR, your team would be better and your opposition would be better yes. But you would not be. Thus you'd be losing more games than you'd be winning, and in fact, you'd more than likely be the reason your team would be losing. (Ie. you'd be the person that you're blaming your losses on now. "Man what is this kid doing in 4k MMR he sucks." --> "Man what is this kid doing in 5k MMR he sucks.")
i can assure you im good enough to play in 5k bracket. i wrote to you in a earlier post why im losing games. it wouldnt happen if my team was better. do you see where im coming from. i dont care if the enemy is better aslong as half my team isnt semi retarded. everyone seem to think dota is some super complicated game mechanic wise. what wins and lose you games is the team you play with. controling 1 dude with 4 buttons to press isnt what i see as a hard game so i dont know why you act like this is top 10 grandmaster level
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You seem like a pleasant person.
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On January 31 2014 06:47 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 03:19 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player. yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit If you magically gained 1.5k MMR, your team would be better and your opposition would be better yes. But you would not be. Thus you'd be losing more games than you'd be winning, and in fact, you'd more than likely be the reason your team would be losing. (Ie. you'd be the person that you're blaming your losses on now. "Man what is this kid doing in 4k MMR he sucks." --> "Man what is this kid doing in 5k MMR he sucks.") i can assure you im good enough to play in 5k bracket. i wrote to you in a earlier post why im losing games. it wouldnt happen if my team was better. do you see where im coming from. i dont care if the enemy is better aslong as half my team isnt semi retarded. everyone seem to think dota is some super complicated game mechanic wise. what wins and lose you games is the team you play with. controling 1 dude with 4 buttons to press isnt what i see as a hard game so i dont know why you act like this is top 10 grandmaster level
If you are good enough you'll eventually get there. Right now you sound like an entitled brat.
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TBH Kungjah sounds like exactly the kind of person scams like Ryze's are made for. They seem made for each other, in fact.
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well he has 6 posts and all have been in this thread about this topic. I guess it's kinda obvious
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On January 31 2014 06:47 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 03:19 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player. yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit If you magically gained 1.5k MMR, your team would be better and your opposition would be better yes. But you would not be. Thus you'd be losing more games than you'd be winning, and in fact, you'd more than likely be the reason your team would be losing. (Ie. you'd be the person that you're blaming your losses on now. "Man what is this kid doing in 4k MMR he sucks." --> "Man what is this kid doing in 5k MMR he sucks.") i can assure you im good enough to play in 5k bracket. i wrote to you in a earlier post why im losing games. it wouldnt happen if my team was better. do you see where im coming from. i dont care if the enemy is better aslong as half my team isnt semi retarded. everyone seem to think dota is some super complicated game mechanic wise. what wins and lose you games is the team you play with. controling 1 dude with 4 buttons to press isnt what i see as a hard game so i dont know why you act like this is top 10 grandmaster level
You're probably a terrible dota player if you react like that buddy
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On January 31 2014 06:47 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 03:19 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player. yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit If you magically gained 1.5k MMR, your team would be better and your opposition would be better yes. But you would not be. Thus you'd be losing more games than you'd be winning, and in fact, you'd more than likely be the reason your team would be losing. (Ie. you'd be the person that you're blaming your losses on now. "Man what is this kid doing in 4k MMR he sucks." --> "Man what is this kid doing in 5k MMR he sucks.") controling 1 dude with 4 buttons to press isnt what i see as a hard game so i dont know why you act like this is top 10 grandmaster level
football/soccer is controlling one dude and one ball and that isnt what i see as a hard game so i dont know why you act like this is top 10 grandmaster level. I could play at La Liga level but I just get screwed over by bad teammates now.
That's how you sound to me.
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Maybe you should change your name to Mid or Feed
Don't see any other way
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Lalalaland34494 Posts
This thread is very quickly heading the same way as the ranked mmr announcement thread. KUNGJAH, please be less defensive and more open minded. Everyone else, please stop attacking him. Let's try and make this thread a bit more productive.
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Ok I think your overvaluing how big a difference 4k is to 5k, you are not in mmr hell (that is mostly around 2k) I know i play around 4.6 k and everyone in my games knows what to do and how to play. Of course there are some feeds sometimes and misplays and sometimes people don't play perfectly, this still happens at 5k and even happens in pro games.
I am 99% positive that if you link us to some replays or your dotabuff we could find error in your gameplay and what to improve on
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On January 31 2014 09:44 Darkren wrote:
I am 99% positive that if you link us to some replays or your dotabuff we could find error in your gameplay and what to improve on
repeating and seconding this. some of us would be happy to help
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zyRuxsw.png)
here's a sure way to get some wins.
my god. i have never felt so filthy. i need to take a shower
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On January 29 2014 07:41 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
If you feel that you're the best player on your team then play solo mid and create space for the other players. If you're not dominating mid then you're clearly not as good as you think you are.
Doesn't it follow a live calibrating system as you go solo q?
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On January 31 2014 06:37 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 16:07 Tobberoth wrote:On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:On January 30 2014 06:27 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No it will be the same, ~50%. yes. 50% at higher play. better games = more fun Obviously. The problem is that the people you would play with wouldn't agree since you're dragging them down. If you were good enough to play on their level, you would be. At the moment, you're good enough to play in "scum bracket". I mean, I don't even play ranked yet, I would LOVE to play with pro players, the games would be awesome. For me, that is, obviously not for them. ok you dont play in ranked yet you talk about how it works..... you obviously have no clue how it even works so why are you even here talking about this issue
I know exactly how it works, it works just like in SC2 and LoL, MMR and ELO works the same. You are placed in the correct position over time. If you think your allies and opponents are always terrible, it's simply because you are terrible as well: Your MMR is matched with theirs. The reason you have the same MMR as them is because you're just as bad as them, nothing else.
I know it hurts, but denial gets you nowhere, if you run around with a superiority complex you'll just stop enjoying the game, just like people who whine about MMR hell in SC2, or ELO hell in LoL. Instead of thinking about how your allies are making you lose because they are magically worse than your opponents even though you guys are all the same MMR, focus on what you can do to win instead. That's how you get better, that's how you get over 50% win ratio, and that's how you get to 5K.
However, with your attitute, you'll probably still whine about the trench when you're in 5K because somehow, your team always sucks balls when they play with you. Hell, I'm sure you would say Dendi is retarded if you got matched with him under a different nick, it's just how people who whine about rating hells work.
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this thread will lead to nowhere,every constructive thing has already been said. left the same old "im stuck with baddies when im like 20x better than em qq"
my 2cents
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