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On January 29 2014 07:43 BallinWitStalin wrote:
If you're better than where you are, pick a ganking snowball hero or a team-mate independent pushing hero (e.g. lycan or np) and go to town.
As long as you get a wr above 50%, you will progress. If you don't, you're probably where you should be.
Check out Kwark's guide to jungle lycan. At low levels it's pretty damn good, I've single-handedly won ton of games using it. Pubs are typically not co-ordinated enough to stop strong solo pushers, so as long as you understand counter/split pushing, you're probably going to do okay.
Like this last 20 games. Gets boring... Especially when you dont gain solo MMR when you play with friends and I most of time (90%) play with friends.
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MMR hell must be very depressing, I sort of experienced it for a few weeks when I still avidly laddered on SC2. The best you can probably do is to reconsider whether your teammates are at fault, or whether perhaps there are some mechanics that you can work on to improve your team's overall performance. From the get-go I realised that it is important for me when playing mid to be present in the other lanes when needed, and you start to develop a sense of when it would be a good idea to go gank or to help defend a tower. Don't play selfish, and always think of what your team requires of you.
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On January 30 2014 05:56 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 05:54 ZerG~LegenD wrote:On January 30 2014 05:47 Alur wrote:On January 30 2014 01:27 Laurens wrote:
I'm surprised you haven't offered Alur's boosting service yet :D
OP, I'll gladly powerlevel your account for the cheap prize of 10 rares / 100 MMR gained. I've yet to get any customers, yet Ryze is actually getting customers while being a hundred times more expensive. I need to fire my marketing team. Ryze is actually getting customers? Wow. That's just ridiculous imo. That's what he told me atleast.
Take your cut and his right hand to make your point.
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On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota.
No it will be the same, ~50%.
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just play high impact versatile heroes and own if you're better than other people?
Means intel miders, chen, furion xin etc?
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On January 29 2014 11:13 emythrel wrote:
Well i think I finally have proof that winrate doesn't matter..... new account 63-38 win/loss or 62% winrate. My MMR on this account? Almost the exact same as my 48% winrate main account with 1000 games. So either its just taking me a while to up my MMR or it really is somewhat independent of winrate. My most recent page on dotabuff is 14-6 win/loss so in my last 20 games I have 70% winrate and my MMR barely went up in that time.
I won 9-1 or 8-2 or my placement matches. Still got put into the 3.6K that I deserve.
At a point in time I went 14-1 in my ranked matches. It still didn't even nudge. I just lost 4 or 5 in a row afterwards.
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On January 30 2014 01:26 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No, the better people you play with, the better your opposition. The rest of the people in the game are paired with your MMR, you are the varying factor. It's up to you to be better and push your winrate up, if you suck and play with good people, all you're doing is lowering their winrate, yours will not improve since you're being a burden to your team instead of a carry. Take two equal teams. Take a player in team A and exchange him for a much better player. Now which team will most likely win? You have to be that player.
yes exactly . i want my team to be better and my opposition to be better. not be in low scumbag bracket with intentional feeders and shit
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On January 30 2014 06:27 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No it will be the same, ~50%.
yes. 50% at higher play. better games = more fun
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Dude, went 4-6 in placement, got 2.5k. Struggling to even stay in 2.6k. Do you know how many games I'm going to have to play to even get it up to 3k?
It could be a lot worse. So much worse.
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On January 30 2014 02:56 phantomlancer23 wrote:
I think even for a player much better for his mmr the climb up is very slow valve must double the points you gain/lose after a game.
it doesnt matter if you gain +5000/-5000 per game if everybody also gains the same amount.
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On January 30 2014 09:51 KUNGJAH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 06:27 _SpiRaL_ wrote:On January 29 2014 23:24 KUNGJAH wrote:
im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. No it will be the same, ~50%. yes. 50% at higher play. better games = more fun
Obviously. The problem is that the people you would play with wouldn't agree since you're dragging them down. If you were good enough to play on their level, you would be. At the moment, you're good enough to play in "scum bracket". I mean, I don't even play ranked yet, I would LOVE to play with pro players, the games would be awesome. For me, that is, obviously not for them.
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Your probably right though that playing at a low MMR makes for less enjoyable games.
If you've played over ~50 games, you are almost certainly at the approximately correct MMR. That means that about 50% of players in your game are better than you and 50% are worse. In the long run, the best way to improve is to ask yourself what are they doing better than I am to be at the same MMR. If you are very critical of your own play, it will help A LOT. Questions like: "Is what I'm doing now the optimal thing to do?", "Was my positioning too X in the last team fight?", etc... DON'T try and blindly copy pro builds/ideas. These don't work well in pubs, and especially don't work well in low tier pubs. The most useful skill in low tier pubs is learning how to gank effectively (punish mistakes).
If you are looking for a short term MMR boost, look for heroes that can make 'big playz' around the 10-30 minute mark. I think your unlikely to improve your MMR by more than a few hundred though.
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I have never played ranked, but I play some with my friends, and some solo. Are my matches still based on my rating even though I have not played ranked? Is my MMR for solo/party separate?
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On January 30 2014 17:32 fdsdfg wrote:
I have never played ranked, but I play some with my friends, and some solo. Is my MMR for each of these separate?
Yes. When you play ranked, you have one party rating and one solo rating, I would assume it's the same for the hidden MMR in unranked.
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Just play viper mid. He is a 100% press R to win hero and is so easy to win most mid matchups. Just take him mid, rape it, then use that to win every other lane. BAM higher MMR until you balance out
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this is probably the most pointless thread on all of teamliquid right after the sad zealot one
User was warned for this post
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My MMr by some reason fluctuated between 2800-3200. I do not know reason.
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On January 30 2014 21:54 Mutineer wrote:
My MMr by some reason fluctuated between 2800-3200. I do not know reason.
You're not equally good with every heroes and neither is your team nor the opponent.
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Stop playing ranked, train 1 rly strong mid hero for like 10-20 games in a row in normal pubs or inhouses or anything...
TA/Storm are prolly best.
Then main them in ranked.
There is absolutely no better way to get out of the trench than playing the mid heroes that can gank 1v5 and stuff.
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