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crc
Australia256 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:14 crc wrote: I'm in a slightly different situation. I've been watching dota 2 for ages, but only started playing recently. So I have all these theories in my head about things like what heroes in what lane, who goes well together, dynamics of split pushing, gank timings, etc. But in low MMR games, no one cares/knows these things. Should I be bossing everyone around? Like ordering mid to gank the offlane, forcing tri-lanes to happen, telling people to smoke gank, etc. Or let everyone play the natural game they are comfortable with and do with my hero what I know is best? How do I get out of low MMR? Focus on your mechanics. All of these are useless in low MMR because tri lanes suck without proper coordination, there are no wards which makes smoke ganking less useful, etc. Honestly you can get to a pretty high MMR just by winning your lane consistently 1v1 or 1v2. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:14 crc wrote: I'm in a slightly different situation. I've been watching dota 2 for ages, but only started playing recently. So I have all these theories in my head about things like what heroes in what lane, who goes well together, dynamics of split pushing, gank timings, etc. But in low MMR games, no one cares/knows these things. Should I be bossing everyone around? Like ordering mid to gank the offlane, forcing tri-lanes to happen, telling people to smoke gank, etc. Or let everyone play the natural game they are comfortable with and do with my hero what I know is best? How do I get out of low MMR? if you really want to increase your mmr just pick a hero that is easy and can snowball something like a Viper, Doom or Weaver. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
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KUNGJAH
Sweden53 Posts
edit: saw the post above me and to clarify obviously i make mistakes sometimes aswell, everyone does but its just unreal the kind of people im getting matched with. ive played for like 2-3 days now when my gf was working and i go +- 0 everytime i logg off. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
medallion boots blink, win | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 29 2014 15:10 KUNGJAH wrote: im at 4.3k and whenever i lose its due to getting these incredibly stupid teammates that makes whatever stupid decision ranging from picks,items,ingame decisions. im 100% sure i could hang at 5k-5.5k mmr but there is no way to climb there having to play with these people. 1 dude cannot carry a game of dota like you guys make it sound. the mmr tries to keep you at 50% win and its doing a pretty damn good job matching you up with complete morons whenever you win 100-200 rating to bring you down again edit: saw the post above me and to clarify obviously i make mistakes sometimes aswell, everyone does but its just unreal the kind of people im getting matched with. ive played for like 2-3 days now when my gf was working and i go +- 0 everytime i logg off. You are showing signs of the same misunderstanding as people who claim to be in MMR/ELO hell, which is rare in people with decent rating (and 4,3k is more than decent, no matter what classic TL elitists would say). You are right, you can't carry every game yourself, sometimes you get dumb people or trolls and there's literally nothing you can do, no matter how well you play. However, that's not every game. It's not every second game. It happens, from time to time, and it happens just as often to everyone else at your MMR. Other people can advance, there's nothing special about your position and you're not being paired with worse people than anyone else. Over the longer term, it IS up to your skill. Make a good impact on every game where your allies aren't morons/trolls, and you'll get way more than 50% win ratio. If you really think you get morons/trolls more than 50% of your games, you are definitely overestimating your own ability. There's no such thing as MMR/ELO hell, unless you're specifically talking about games being unenjoyable because of terrible allies/opponents. | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
I think you need to be good at communicating with and leading your team in order to be successful in solo queue. Do everything you can to foster a good team spirit and then try to provide some direction. Avoiding a bad team fight can be game changing, but most of the time someone has to take the initiative to pull back. Also, items like smokes, wards and flying courier are insanely price-worthy. If the support isn't getting them you should even if you're playing mid or carry. Asking nicely once or twice first might be worth it but there comes a point where you're just being annoying and hurting your team. And whatever you do, never ever rage or blame someone else in chat. Sometimes you lose but if you just move on your wins will come. However, if you go on tilt you'll drag your team down and will likely keep losing. Of course how well you play your hero individually matters a lot as well, but I think a lot of people focus too much on that part. You can boost your rating by quite a bit by just being nice to your team mates and taking their needs into consideration. Even a bad void can carry the game if you secure three early kills on his lane, and if he's 500 gold away from completing his bkb you should know that and try to not force a fight. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 29 2014 16:23 ZerG~LegenD wrote: Got calibrated in at 4.7k and never really played played much solo after that. Decided to give it a try last week by playing only my best hero, taking breaks between games and trying to be really, really focused on the game. Got ~80% winrate and I'm up to 5.1k now. I think you need to be good at communicating with and leading your team in order to be successful in solo queue. Do everything you can to foster a good team spirit and then try to provide some direction. Avoiding a bad team fight can be game changing, but most of the time someone has to take the initiative to pull back. Also, items like smokes, wards and flying courier are insanely price-worthy. If the support isn't getting them you should even if you're playing mid or carry. Asking nicely once or twice first might be worth it but there comes a point where you're just being annoying and hurting your team. And whatever you do, never ever rage or blame someone else in chat. Sometimes you lose but if you just move on your wins will come. However, if you go on tilt you'll drag your team down and will likely keep losing. Of course how well you play your hero individually matters a lot as well, but I think a lot of people focus too much on that part. You can boost your rating by quite a bit by just being nice to your team mates and taking their needs into consideration. Even a bad void can carry the game if you secure three early kills on his lane, and if he's 500 gold away from completing his bkb you should know that and try to not force a fight. Such great advice, I really think a big reason people are doing worse than they should is the fact that they judge their allies harshly and then start to rage at them, breaking the team down. It's so easy to check items on one of your allies 10 minutes in, disapprove of a choice they made, and then have a bad image of them the whole game, every single mistake they do seems like game-losing level terribleness. I'm sure most people have been in that position themselves, such as when you have very good K/D/A, you've done several successful ganks, you've set up tons of wards etc... then you make a slight misclick and suddenly everyone hates on you. That's the problem with Dota, people are blind and only see mistakes, only criticize. Best way to play: Assume everyone is good, but play as if they are just acceptable. Mute people who bad mouth immediately, never join in. Don't write in chat unless you have something good or useful to say. If you see someone doing something stupid, always assume they just had a temporary brain AFK, or that they are really tired or something. Just thinking "This dude sucks" quickly makes the game terrible. | ||
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Rainling
United States456 Posts
On January 29 2014 16:44 Tobberoth wrote: Best way to play: Assume everyone is good, but play as if they are just acceptable. Mute people who bad mouth immediately, never join in. Don't write in chat unless you have something good or useful to say. If you see someone doing something stupid, always assume they just had a temporary brain AFK, or that they are really tired or something. Just thinking "This dude sucks" quickly makes the game terrible. So much this. Complaining doesn't do anything except inflate your own ego. | ||
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Richid
United States10 Posts
On January 29 2014 16:44 Tobberoth wrote: Such great advice, I really think a big reason people are doing worse than they should is the fact that they judge their allies harshly and then start to rage at them, breaking the team down. It's so easy to check items on one of your allies 10 minutes in, disapprove of a choice they made, and then have a bad image of them the whole game, every single mistake they do seems like game-losing level terribleness. I'm sure most people have been in that position themselves, such as when you have very good K/D/A, you've done several successful ganks, you've set up tons of wards etc... then you make a slight misclick and suddenly everyone hates on you. That's the problem with Dota, people are blind and only see mistakes, only criticize. Best way to play: Assume everyone is good, but play as if they are just acceptable. Mute people who bad mouth immediately, never join in. Don't write in chat unless you have something good or useful to say. If you see someone doing something stupid, always assume they just had a temporary brain AFK, or that they are really tired or something. Just thinking "This dude sucks" quickly makes the game terrible. I agree with everything .. Skill is definitely taken into consideration but so is player mentality at some mid - high point in mmr ladder. I think most players even average at their best are quiet decent. But once they start losing or a quirk from their allies ticks them off it just spirals downhill from there  In Short my Sig :p | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
There are ways to relatively boost your MMR too; but I am damn sure, you'll hit the wall after gain some points again because lack of other things. - Playing the same dominant(but not hard to play) hero again and again, specialize on it. Learn the tricks etc.. So you plays it better than your random another hero. - Recognize your play style. Are you better at farming? Is playing mid suits you better? Can you easily 1v2 opponents in hard lane? - You didn't write your MMR, but if it is super low, use invis heroes. Average people still don't recognize the importance of detection. Clinkz is perfect to stomp lows. - Learn to jungle heroes have early peaks with push, Lycan/enigma etc.. Learn to push with them. In the end, as I said, you'll hit a hard brick wall no matter what you did. Perfection doesn't come with ease. Accept you suck and try to improve. I know, because I(still) improve myself by accepting myself. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On January 29 2014 09:22 AndyJay wrote: This is what happens when a 5k player solo queues on a 3.5k account. http://dotabuff.com/players/110289963/matches Compare and contrast with your own match history. Holy hell, thats a pretty convincing argument ^.^ | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On January 29 2014 18:30 Zealos wrote: Holy hell, thats a pretty convincing argument ^.^ Can't argue with that. Always assume that your where your supposed to be, I think that you have too high of a opinion of yourself. Everyone's bad at this game, if not you should be in the pro teams. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
You maybe should try to communicate better with your team mates and help them out. Do not use a commanding tone, ask and suggest and dont get angry. Dont get angry when someone does not comply with your wishes, they are not bound to. Dont flame, try to be supportive and help, say nice helpfull things to them at the start. In most of the cases this will increase your win chances in solo queues and even if it goes downhill, people are usually nicer themselves and the loss wont taste that bitter. And dont give up if you have a bad start, at the lower levels that might even be good in many cases because your opponets will get over confident make errors and throw the game. | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
On January 29 2014 18:30 Zealos wrote: Holy hell, thats a pretty convincing argument ^.^ Swiftending is a 5.6k player though, and the account he's using started out on 2.9k. The difference is enormous. It will be interesting to see what wr he can maintain when he reaches 4.5k and 5k - he's at 3.8 right now. I think he'll still manage 70% but who knows. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:14 crc wrote: I'm in a slightly different situation. I've been watching dota 2 for ages, but only started playing recently. So I have all these theories in my head about things like what heroes in what lane, who goes well together, dynamics of split pushing, gank timings, etc. But in low MMR games, no one cares/knows these things. Should I be bossing everyone around? Like ordering mid to gank the offlane, forcing tri-lanes to happen, telling people to smoke gank, etc. Or let everyone play the natural game they are comfortable with and do with my hero what I know is best? How do I get out of low MMR? I think you have to analyse progames, not just copy paste them to improve, nothing worse than a poorly executed trilane. It's not hard to execute but many people just don't know when to zone the ennemy offlaner, pull, check rune, roam and what to buy or do, be it wand, brown boots, flying courier, TP, smoke, detection, take T1, dive the ennemy offlaner, rotate to offlane. The difficulty is to choose. On the other hand, a fail lane control during the first waves and leech XP from the supports and the offlaner gets it all and you're stuck in the lane because the carry won't be able to survive solo, you won't be able to pressure the offlaner or rotate. Mid should not gang unless he has a good rune | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:14 crc wrote: I'm in a slightly different situation. I've been watching dota 2 for ages, but only started playing recently. So I have all these theories in my head about things like what heroes in what lane, who goes well together, dynamics of split pushing, gank timings, etc. But in low MMR games, no one cares/knows these things. Should I be bossing everyone around? Like ordering mid to gank the offlane, forcing tri-lanes to happen, telling people to smoke gank, etc. Or let everyone play the natural game they are comfortable with and do with my hero what I know is best? How do I get out of low MMR? Bossing people around never leads to good games. These people are trying to enjoy a game, they did not sign up for a teacher. In low MMR, you don't try to use advanced pro tactics, that doesn't work. What you do, is pub stomp. Pick a hero with a lot of impact, win your lane, then transfer your advantage to your teammates. For example, pick viper mid, get a kill or two, then gank the crap out of the other lanes. Just like in SC2, you don't tell a bronze player to learn massive macro and drop micro to get to silver, you teach him basic macro and a-moving. Fundamentals rock the crap our of strategy and fancy plays. | ||
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KUNGJAH
Sweden53 Posts
On January 29 2014 16:18 Tobberoth wrote: You are showing signs of the same misunderstanding as people who claim to be in MMR/ELO hell, which is rare in people with decent rating (and 4,3k is more than decent, no matter what classic TL elitists would say). You are right, you can't carry every game yourself, sometimes you get dumb people or trolls and there's literally nothing you can do, no matter how well you play. However, that's not every game. It's not every second game. It happens, from time to time, and it happens just as often to everyone else at your MMR. Other people can advance, there's nothing special about your position and you're not being paired with worse people than anyone else. Over the longer term, it IS up to your skill. Make a good impact on every game where your allies aren't morons/trolls, and you'll get way more than 50% win ratio. If you really think you get morons/trolls more than 50% of your games, you are definitely overestimating your own ability. There's no such thing as MMR/ELO hell, unless you're specifically talking about games being unenjoyable because of terrible allies/opponents. im pretty sure if i was at 5k-5.5k i would maintain a higher winrate than at 4k so obviously its kind of a mmr hell if i cant advance. dota is not some advanced game where you need super high skill to play at higher rating. the better people you play with the better winrate you will have if you have good/basic understanding of dota. | ||
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