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On February 05 2018 22:41 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2018 22:05 midou wrote:On February 05 2018 04:49 MirageTaN wrote:On February 04 2018 23:07 evanthebouncy! wrote:
yeah this team is actually insanely consistent and good. so much raw talent and more importantly discipline.
which team has been this dominant consistently up to TI, during TI, and so long after TI? We'll see how people can crack them but as of now Liquid is by far the king bar none Been supporting MC from Basically unknown and now, 3 years later..... I think he might just be the best player in the world right now Most improved player for sure. The guy plays any lane against anybody and delivers. One of Liquid's strengths is that they can first pick Razor, DK, QoP, Tiny etc. and just put MC on it without any fear it will be countered, because they will last pick Miracle's hero anyway. About dominance I think Secret (Kuro, Puppey, Zai, Arteezy, S4) was the last team that was so dominant and talented. You mean with their limited strategy that got figured out at the worst possible moment and players falling out spectacularly? There's no comparison here really
Agree, while that version of secret was very good for a few month, they only won 3-4 tournaments, and bombed out of TI. Liquid is strong for almost a year now, and won 9 tournaments (i hope thats right) including TI.
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Yes, I mean the team that was trashing everyone with Techies.
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I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit. Ignoring heroes with <15 games played, Earth Spirit is his highest winrate with 86% over 22 games (suck it person on Reddit)!
Inspired by this, I have uncovered the ultimate Liquid draft!
1. Terrorblade (Miracle, 80%) over 15 games
2. Necrophos (MATUMBAMAN, 83%) over 30 games
3. Earth Shaker (MinD_ContRoL, 85%) over 20 games
4. Earth Spirit (Gh, 86%) over 22 games
5. Spirit Breaker (KuroKy, 88%) over 16 games
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Might be worth noting that certain heroes have seen balance readjustments in the time between when most of those those wins were accrued and now (cough necro)
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On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit. Ignoring heroes with <15 games played, Earth Spirit is his highest winrate with 86% over 22 games (suck it person on Reddit)!
Inspired by this, I have uncovered the ultimate Liquid draft!
1. Terrorblade (Miracle, 80%) over 15 games
2. Necrophos (MATUMBAMAN, 83%) over 30 games
3. Earth Shaker (MinD_ContRoL, 85%) over 20 games
4. Earth Spirit (Gh, 86%) over 22 games
5. Spirit Breaker (KuroKy, 88%) over 16 games
It's insane how GH only started playing Earth Spirit after TI7 and now has a 86% competitive winrate on the hero. Really shows his talent at this game.
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On February 06 2018 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Might be worth noting that certain heroes have seen balance readjustments in the time between when most of those those wins were accrued and now (cough necro)
Yes, it was more of a fun thing to do as I was looking at their TL win-rates on Dotabuff. It's interesting because for the most part those aren't considered their signature heroes.
1. Miracle (Invoker, 70%) 49 games
2. MATUMBAMAN (Lycan, 76%) 46 games (Lone Druid, 70%) 50 games.
3. MinD_ContRoL (Dark Seer, 60%) 80 games (Beastmaster, 76%) 42 games (Nature's Prophet, 71%) 49 games
4. Gh (Io, 76%) over 37 games (Earthshaker, 78%) 36 games (Keeper of the Light, 79%) 28 games
5 KuroKy (Chen, 87%) 15 games (Rubick, 69%) 54 games.
The most successful Team Liquid hero overall is Sniper with a 100% winrate over 8 games.
And for giggles, the worst Liquid heroes:
1. Miracle (Mirana, 33%) 6 games (Tinker, 50%) 10 games (Shadow Fiend, 53%) 17 games
2. MATUMBAMAN (Sven, 27%) 7 games (Naga Siren, 45%) 11 games (Ember Spirit, 50%) 20 games
3. MinD_ContRoL (Slardar, 54%) 26 games
4. Gh (Crystal maiden, 33%) 6 games
5 KuroKy (Ogre Magi, 46%) 13 games (Enchantress, 50%) 10 games
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On February 06 2018 04:53 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit. Ignoring heroes with <15 games played, Earth Spirit is his highest winrate with 86% over 22 games (suck it person on Reddit)!
Inspired by this, I have uncovered the ultimate Liquid draft!
1. Terrorblade (Miracle, 80%) over 15 games
2. Necrophos (MATUMBAMAN, 83%) over 30 games
3. Earth Shaker (MinD_ContRoL, 85%) over 20 games
4. Earth Spirit (Gh, 86%) over 22 games
5. Spirit Breaker (KuroKy, 88%) over 16 games
It's insane how GH only started playing Earth Spirit after TI7 and now has a 86% competitive winrate on the hero. Really shows his talent at this game.
broken hero + broken player = insane win rate
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On February 06 2018 05:24 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 04:53 CrazyBirdman wrote:On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit. Ignoring heroes with <15 games played, Earth Spirit is his highest winrate with 86% over 22 games (suck it person on Reddit)!
Inspired by this, I have uncovered the ultimate Liquid draft!
1. Terrorblade (Miracle, 80%) over 15 games
2. Necrophos (MATUMBAMAN, 83%) over 30 games
3. Earth Shaker (MinD_ContRoL, 85%) over 20 games
4. Earth Spirit (Gh, 86%) over 22 games
5. Spirit Breaker (KuroKy, 88%) over 16 games
It's insane how GH only started playing Earth Spirit after TI7 and now has a 86% competitive winrate on the hero. Really shows his talent at this game. broken hero + broken player = insane win rate
High Skill Cap hero+god-tier skill cap player=insane winrate
Also note guys, these heroes are not there in isolation and it's not just a testament to the player
But The Boys base their whole strategy especially around the GH pick
Same with Necro Matu etc. So the rets of the team and especially Kuro get credit for these winrates
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On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit
That's just what GH said in his winner's interview at StarLadder though.
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On February 07 2018 09:07 SFDuality wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit That's just what GH said in his winner's interview at StarLadder though.
GH still learning, simply means that at this stage he is only the second (some might argue third) best es player out there.
Him having learned es will mean there's just nothing you can do this game - and teams will have to spend 4-5 bans on gh 
kidding (to some extend^^)...
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On February 07 2018 09:07 SFDuality wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 04:44 Saechiis wrote:
I was looking at Dotabuff hero winrates for our boys since some guy on Reddit claimed GH was still "learning" to play Earth Spirit That's just what GH said in his winner's interview at StarLadder though.
Yes, I wasn't aware of that before so I took it at face value. I think the stats are fun to know either way though. I feel pretty confident that teams are better off banning Earth Spirit and Io rather than Keeper and Earthshaker, you'd rather give him heroes with a lower skill cap especially when he still considers himself to be learning the hero.
On another note, I noticed there were discrepancies between DatDota's stats and those from Dotabuff. Is one considered more valid than the other? Dotabuff has a very convenient overview of the matches within your parameters but for Miracle SF it claims 17 matches with a 53% winrate. Yet when I count the matches there's only 16 including 3 DAC SF 1v1's.
DatDota gives me 12 matches with a 33% winrate, but there I can't seem to find a way to make it display the matches it is counting.
Edit: I messaged noxville on Reddit, I suppose no-one here would know.
Edit 2. I got a response, seems like Miracle's SF winrate on Liquid is just 33%.
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KuroKy on the frontpage of Reddit: + Show Spoiler +https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/7wrms4/psbattle_this_guy_on_a_camel_pointing_at_a_pyramid/
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Age3R9e.jpg)
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i haven't watching all of team liquid's matches but i think they should start picking unorthodox heroes that actually work like leshrac against PL, pitlord against super pushing lineup(lycan, dk, chen) , kunkka mid and Arc warden.
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On February 12 2018 12:13 crocshark wrote:
i haven't watching all of team liquid's matches but i think they should start picking unorthodox heroes that actually work like leshrac against PL, pitlord against super pushing lineup(lycan, dk, chen) , kunkka mid and Arc warden.
Huh? Last time they played, they won starladder. so what do you want to say? No need to play any heroes you are not comfortable with, when you are winning. I think kuro knows what he is doing;)
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Liquid vs Effect 1d 2h
Time for a major title. This one is in the bag - ESL One Katowice 2018!
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Liquid just looks completely awful today. Hope they can turn it around but they really need to get their shit together,
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Hmm i got to look in to the stats, but i don't think Miracle won a pro Tinker game after TI. This is just not his hero.
First time in almost a year i see someone outplay Liquid.
This means i am Worried.
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Relax they're just emulating their TI7 run
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Well, they won the game where they picked Liquid heroes.
Tinker is just such an anti-Liquid hero, can't kill towers, can't kill Rosh, can't dominate lane, can't contribute early game. Then they put MC on lane surviving heroes like Nyx and Underlord where he's just a bit annoying in teamfights but can't carry the game. They pick up gyro twice into weak lanes where it just gets run over.
Liquid does so well in sustained push/ teamfight line-ups that I don't understand why they'd counter themselves by picking such weak lanes.
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Not worried at all. This is was one of those series, that keeps them grounded. Better now then in the grand finals, like it happened against newbee at genting. Have faith in the boys;)
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EPT
