EPTOn January 28 2018 05:30 Saechiis wrote:
EG might be getting LiquiPTSD.
EG might be getting LiquiPTSD.
it feels like Liquid just has their number, just like how VP always seems to lose to EG. Maybe its a mental thing
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
it feels like Liquid just has their number, just like how VP always seems to lose to EG. Maybe its a mental thing | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On January 28 2018 06:07 korendir wrote: it feels like Liquid just has their number, just like how VP always seems to lose to EG. Maybe its a mental thing Liquid has everyones number then;) | ||
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juuto
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The last Dreamleague was just a bad dream that is replayed 24/7 on the official Dreamleague Twitch page. | ||
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noh2o
China71 Posts
The last Dreamleague was just a bad dream that is replayed 24/7 on the official Dreamleague Twitch page. doesn't matter,liquid get mature after the loss. let's go liquid | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
[Edit]: Great series so far. Newbee has really improved a lot and Liquid is looking stronger after the break. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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juuto
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On January 28 2018 21:26 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, we cant win them all, huge props to Newbee for playing a phenomenal series. I am sure we will be back next tournament Their next series is in less than 4 days! I wish they kept these amount of games up but then there's bit of a gap until the next tournament after that. Matu said they were out of shape earlier this tournament but they look much better after the break. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
Next tournament in less then 4 days, now this is awesome! | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
They finally let Newbee win huh Long time coming  | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
It happened way too many times - cocky drafts, that NEEDS our boys to outplay hard their opponents, or they get crushed - like that invoker game for example. And after all we are playing agaist world class players, you can't expect to outplay them that hard every time. Or The random drafts are just Liquid's way too keep the thirst rolling and having fun during tourneys, as the only thing they really want is TI8? | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On January 29 2018 05:31 NInoff wrote: I am not sure if we have to be wooried. It happened way too many times - cocky drafts, that NEEDS our boys to outplay hard their opponents, or they get crushed - like that invoker game for example. And after all we are playing agaist world class players, you can't expect to outplay them that hard every time. Or The random drafts are just Liquid's way too keep the thirst rolling and having fun during tourneys, as the only thing they really want is TI8? They lost against a very strong team 2-3 in the grand finals, no reason to be worried. Even in the past, the strongest teams didnt win every single tournament, thats just not possible. And if they ban the naga in game 5, i am pretty sure they win that too, so no worries. They are ridiculously consistent either way. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On January 29 2018 05:31 NInoff wrote: I am not sure if we have to be wooried. It happened way too many times - cocky drafts, that NEEDS our boys to outplay hard their opponents, or they get crushed - like that invoker game for example. And after all we are playing agaist world class players, you can't expect to outplay them that hard every time. Or The random drafts are just Liquid's way too keep the thirst rolling and having fun during tourneys, as the only thing they really want is TI8? I agree with you that the drafts are questionable but I don't think they're "cocky". Their drafts have fallen off ever since they won TI and didn't have to play qualifier games which meant they played less and that lead to them having a worse understanding of the meta than other teams. Everything they accomplished this season so far felt like they were outplaying most of their opponents to make up for mediocre drafts. This felt like their best showing to me so far, they looked like a team that was mostly caught up to the meta, but Newbee just happened to be a step ahead of them. It still doesn't feel like they're strong enough to break the meta like they did at TI7 but maybe that'll come back in time. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On January 29 2018 08:16 juuto wrote: I agree with you that the drafts are questionable but I don't think they're "cocky". Their drafts have fallen off ever since they won TI and didn't have to play qualifier games which meant they played less and that lead to them having a worse understanding of the meta than other teams. Everything they accomplished this season so far felt like they were outplaying most of their opponents to make up for mediocre drafts. This felt like their best showing to me so far, they looked like a team that was mostly caught up to the meta, but Newbee just happened to be a step ahead of them. It still doesn't feel like they're strong enough to break the meta like they did at TI7 but maybe that'll come back in time. Not so sure about that. Especially the invo game (which they almost always pair with a Venge for matu) should have been a win as far as I see it. Big Miracle choke/blunder whatever you want to call it - close to rosh where he basically has about 2 seconds to invoke something - but did nothing - could have tornadoed/ghostwalked/icewall. but just died. free rosh for newbee and high ground straight after... And then again the tinker game - should have been a win in theory i feel. then suddenly tinker dies twice and the game is over... didn't see the whole end of that game, but felt very strange. it felt like 2 games matu choked and didn't perform (especially that razor game, which they still won) and 2 games miracle choked in a few situations. you can't play perfectly every game i guess, and Newbee is top tier. but still... seeing so many mistakes, was a bit of a bummer. | ||
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
On January 29 2018 08:16 juuto wrote: I agree with you that the drafts are questionable but I don't think they're "cocky". Their drafts have fallen off ever since they won TI and didn't have to play qualifier games which meant they played less and that lead to them having a worse understanding of the meta than other teams. Everything they accomplished this season so far felt like they were outplaying most of their opponents to make up for mediocre drafts. This felt like their best showing to me so far, they looked like a team that was mostly caught up to the meta, but Newbee just happened to be a step ahead of them. It still doesn't feel like they're strong enough to break the meta like they did at TI7 but maybe that'll come back in time. Not sure that the drafts are very questionable.. look at game 4 for example, that was also a big draft win imo | ||
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Toshiru
Germany47 Posts
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Saechiis
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juuto
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On January 29 2018 19:13 sCuMBaG wrote: Not so sure about that. Especially the invo game (which they almost always pair with a Venge for matu) should have been a win as far as I see it. Big Miracle choke/blunder whatever you want to call it - close to rosh where he basically has about 2 seconds to invoke something - but did nothing - could have tornadoed/ghostwalked/icewall. but just died. free rosh for newbee and high ground straight after... And then again the tinker game - should have been a win in theory i feel. then suddenly tinker dies twice and the game is over... didn't see the whole end of that game, but felt very strange. it felt like 2 games matu choked and didn't perform (especially that razor game, which they still won) and 2 games miracle choked in a few situations. you can't play perfectly every game i guess, and Newbee is top tier. but still... seeing so many mistakes, was a bit of a bummer. Pointing at bad plays doesn't really do a good job defending Liquid's drafts. If the game is relying too heavily on Miracle's Invoker to salvage the game, there might just be something wrong with the draft. Just look at their other Invoker/Venge game against Newbee earlier in the tournament. Dazzle, Earth Spirit, Sand King, and Venge core were able to create space for Miracle's without ever giving Newbee a lead. In the grand finals, Naga Siren, Rubick, Underlord, and Venge lacked a whole hell of a lot (damage, stuns, etc.) and couldn't make space for Miracle without giving too much to Newbee. Newbee set themselves up to win with their draft and Liquid set themselves up to get screwed over in hopes that Miracle could salvage the game. Also, if they're losing a game while ineffectively using a deny pick (Naga Siren), that's most likely a clue that they lost the draft. Newbee's support duo (Disruptor, Naga Siren) were the major draft winners throughout the entire tournament. Either you risked playing against it or you used your bans/picks to deny them that duo. I'm not saying Liquid was much worse but Disruptor/Naga gave Newbee the edge they needed to win more drafts and ultimately, more games. Liquid didn't have anything nearly as threatening against Newbee. In Game 5, Newbee had everything they wanted in their support duo that time and time again proved themselves to be strong, and Liquid had a fucking Jakiro. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
"Sadly" Newbee had a lot of ways to protect them! I dont know how often Matu was on top of one of them and one or even two force staffs came out and they were out of range! And imprisonment from OD was also a big saving factor! | ||
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Toshiru
Germany47 Posts
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