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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On January 30 2018 02:44 its_a_me wrote: Hope they figure out how to handle Naga/Disruptor, or just ban them. I would be happy if they just ban it. You can't really counter a well played support Naga, it's so disruptive. Like you can't really do Rosh, or go highground, it's pretty fucked up. | ||
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noh2o
China71 Posts
matu shuould get BKB not amor miracle came in fight was too late mc 's sk wasnt rich kky should pick aa instead of jakiro hope liquid will defend their sli titlle sorry for my english | ||
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GGman
Czech Republic143 Posts
On January 29 2018 20:05 Toshiru wrote: I honestly don't see anything to worry about, you can't win them all. The performance was fine from my point of view, sure we all know it can be better and I am sure we are getting there  Seconded. I think that they are doing very well, unlike other TI winners TL is still up there, even after long break and almost half a year after TI. I was only surprised by not banning naga in game 5, but oh well, not like it were major finals  | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On January 29 2018 19:13 sCuMBaG wrote: Not so sure about that. Especially the invo game (which they almost always pair with a Venge for matu) should have been a win as far as I see it. Big Miracle choke/blunder whatever you want to call it - close to rosh where he basically has about 2 seconds to invoke something - but did nothing - could have tornadoed/ghostwalked/icewall. but just died. free rosh for newbee and high ground straight after... And then again the tinker game - should have been a win in theory i feel. then suddenly tinker dies twice and the game is over... didn't see the whole end of that game, but felt very strange. it felt like 2 games matu choked and didn't perform (especially that razor game, which they still won) and 2 games miracle choked in a few situations. you can't play perfectly every game i guess, and Newbee is top tier. but still... seeing so many mistakes, was a bit of a bummer. The point of the draft is to not force one or more of your players to play out of their minds. But to have an easy game, and win even if someone makes a mistake. However i agree that Miracle didn't have a day that day and thats OK. My bugger concern is that this is his third if i am not mistaken game in a row on Tinker that he plays mediocore at best, focuses way too much on pushing the lanes, instead of bursting someone with his team after BoT, Aghs, Blink, Dagger. In all of the fights he showed up way too late and gave Newbee a chance to sleep and reset the fight. Imagine if he BoT2 on an ally and just drop a burst on the stunned target, - target dies, his team is not forced to commit that hard, fight is won, even if newbee manage to use Song Of The Siren they can still disengage if needed. Instead all 4 commit hard target barely dies all abilities on cooldown, then Tinker shows with the remaining 4 enemies on full hp and his team on the run. all fights way too late. Maybe they should practice his tinker more as it is essential versus some drafts. | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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dory69
2 Posts
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Toshiru
Germany47 Posts
On January 31 2018 04:20 hunter_x wrote: Everyone who critizises them, should not forget, they had a pretty long break. First tournament After 6 weeks or so, i think they did very well;) Exactly I was actually surprised that they did that well, they could just have won the whole thing if a single team fight went differently. Sure I can say a complaint about every player's performance in this tournament but that does not really make sense after the pleasant final results. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On January 31 2018 19:34 Toshiru wrote: Exactly I was actually surprised that they did that well, they could just have won the whole thing if a single team fight went differently. Sure I can say a complaint about every player's performance in this tournament but that does not really make sense after the pleasant final results. On the other hand, you can see how high the fans expectations are right now. dissapointed after a second place finish? Thats insane, if you think about it. I still remember the shitty na team, who were happy about Top 8 at TI. And now we have one of the best teams to ever play the game, kuro and the boys sure did a lot;) | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
 Edit: also, title defended. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On February 04 2018 21:46 juuto wrote: Liquid looking better and better in 2018. GH Wisp making a comeback Yes! Also Matumbaman Gyro and MC Beastmaster, it felt like the kind of high tempo drafts they used when they first started playing under the Liquid banner. Nice to see they can still whip it out when the other team goes all-in on the early game. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
which team has been this dominant consistently up to TI, during TI, and so long after TI? We'll see how people can crack them but as of now Liquid is by far the king bar none | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
On February 04 2018 23:07 evanthebouncy! wrote: yeah this team is actually insanely consistent and good. so much raw talent and more importantly discipline. which team has been this dominant consistently up to TI, during TI, and so long after TI? We'll see how people can crack them but as of now Liquid is by far the king bar none Been supporting MC from Basically unknown and now, 3 years later..... I think he might just be the best player in the world right now | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On February 05 2018 04:49 MirageTaN wrote: Been supporting MC from Basically unknown and now, 3 years later..... I think he might just be the best player in the world right now Ist really hard to say, because all of Liquid are so damn good at their role. But right now, he is the best offlaner for sure! | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On February 04 2018 23:07 evanthebouncy! wrote: yeah this team is actually insanely consistent and good. so much raw talent and more importantly discipline. which team has been this dominant consistently up to TI, during TI, and so long after TI? We'll see how people can crack them but as of now Liquid is by far the king bar none iG during TI2? iG was dominant till March 2013 then everything fell apart after going last in a tournament with Alliance on top. But of course it doesn't seem like Liquid will meet the same fate. | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On February 05 2018 04:49 MirageTaN wrote: Been supporting MC from Basically unknown and now, 3 years later..... I think he might just be the best player in the world right now Most improved player for sure. The guy plays any lane against anybody and delivers. One of Liquid's strengths is that they can first pick Razor, DK, QoP, Tiny etc. and just put MC on it without any fear it will be countered, because they will last pick Miracle's hero anyway. About dominance I think Secret (Kuro, Puppey, Zai, Arteezy, S4) was the last team that was so dominant and talented. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On February 05 2018 22:05 midou wrote: Most improved player for sure. The guy plays any lane against anybody and delivers. One of Liquid's strengths is that they can first pick Razor, DK, QoP, Tiny etc. and just put MC on it without any fear it will be countered, because they will last pick Miracle's hero anyway. About dominance I think Secret (Kuro, Puppey, Zai, Arteezy, S4) was the last team that was so dominant and talented. You mean with their limited strategy that got figured out at the worst possible moment and players falling out spectacularly? There's no comparison here really | ||
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