EPTOn May 30 2015 23:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
pubs are trash every patch
pubs are trash every patch
pubs are dota
esports is nice and all but the essence of dota is pubs
Team Secret Discussion - Page 62
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
pubs are dota esports is nice and all but the essence of dota is pubs | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: is secret the most dominant team in dota 2 history or was na'vi just as strong or even better during their time? I don't recall it precisely. most dominant team in dota2 history is alliance. i'd say secret are currently on par with last year's DK. TI1 navi and and TI2 iG are somewhere there too most dominant teams in dota1 are VP, EHOME, DK. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
I assume you are talking about how much they win, and I would hold off on that assessment. They won Summit and Redbull, but out of those only Summit was a tournament which had multiple top teams in it. Redbull "only" had iG essentially. Of course they are looking good again and may win MarsTV as well, but it doesn't make sense to me to talk about them being very dominant before they actually do win it. Obviously they are at least one of the very best teams, but to me dominant implies that they are clearly the best over some sort of a period, and they have to show it in multiple tournaments first. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
Secret is nowhere near that level of strength and cannot be considered "dominant" in any way as they've been the best team in the world for less than a month | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
I think it's possible dominance is becoming less of a thing in Dota 2 because of a broadening field and more incentive to compete. It's difficult to quantify dominance. Each in their own way, Alliance and Na'Vi were more dominant than I think any team has been since TI3. We may never go back to that. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
If Secret wins MarsTV and ESL, then they are the clear #1 favorite for TI. If they don't win them, then they are "just" one of the favorites. | ||
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Pomza
45 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:58 spudde123 wrote: Their "dominance" only started at the Summit as Redbull didn't have their main competitors anyway. Agree with the majority of your post but in those two tournaments they beat IG, LGD, EG and Vici. Not sure who else would be considered their main competition for TI at this stage? I think the earlier comparison in this thread to last years DK is perfect. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On June 05 2015 17:05 Pomza wrote: Agree with the majority of your post but in those two tournaments they beat IG, LGD, EG and Vici. Not sure who else would be considered their main competition for TI at this stage? I think the earlier comparison in this thread to last years DK is perfect. I meant that Redbull didn't have their main competitors outside of iG. Summit had close to all the top teams, I never said otherwise. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
I guess that because I've watched dota 1 so much secret looks incredibly impressive.The western teams have been the underdogs pretty much always since... VP days? rush3d(PS) were pretty good too but they were never best in the world, then the closest thing we got later on was DTS clawing their away to a 3rd spot in the world championship and they were alone up there, no other western team came even slightly close to DTS (which became na'vi later on) | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:21 IshinShishi wrote: its just that its the first time I've seen a western team completely dominate chinese teams as if they had no chance, even if it hasn't started too long ago, couple that with their huge win streaks and I can't really recall any other western team doing that, I remember na'vi being strong but their games were a little bit cheesy and way more messy when they beat the top teams (mostly because they could get away with it since most chinese teams still played a lot of dota 1 during that time and weren't prepared), that's why it feels at least as if secret is doing something new. I guess that because I've watched dota 1 so much secret looks incredibly impressive.The western teams have been the underdogs pretty much always since... VP days? rush3d(PS) were pretty good too but they were never best in the world, then the closest thing we got later on was DTS clawing their away to a 3rd spot in the world championship and they were alone up there, no other western team came even slightly close to DTS (which became na'vi later on) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/G-1_Champions_League_Season_5 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2013 | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
The most dominating team is alliance 2013 because there was simply no answer to their game by any team. Navi 2011-2013 was dominating too, but they did not flat out destroy the Chinese. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On June 05 2015 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: is secret the most dominant team in dota 2 history or was na'vi just as strong or even better during their time? I don't recall it precisely. And then people wonder why Secret has so many haters... Win 1 big LAN and suddenly they're in the conversation for most dominant team in Dota history. I sometimes feel like the Secret fanbase is made up entirely of 12 year olds. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:48 Azimuth wrote: And then people wonder why Secret has so many haters... Win 1 big LAN and suddenly they're in the conversation for most dominant team in Dota history. I sometimes feel like the Secret fanbase is made up entirely of 12 year olds. ? You should've read my posts entirely, I probably watched more dota than you or 99% ever will, I'm not that much of a secret fan either, I just like kuro and puppey since ks.int's days. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:40 Lachrymose wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/G-1_Champions_League_Season_5 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2013 oh yea, there's alliance too, I guess Secret still has some treading to do. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On June 06 2015 02:29 IshinShishi wrote: ? You should've read my posts entirely, I probably watched more dota than you or 99% ever will, I'm not that much of a secret fan either, I just like kuro and puppey since ks.int's days. That's all fine, and cheering for your team and hoping they win as much as possible is what a fan should do. But please, let's not exaggerate. For a team to be truly dominant it would have to achieve a whole lot more than current Secret has. The thing I see a lot from Secret fans (not necessarily you) is taking it to the extreme. Drop out of Starladder --> they should disband They win Summit 3 --> easily the biggest favorite to win TI and possibly having a run of dominance like Na'Vi and Alliance had Obviously they can win the TI, they can have a dominant run but winning Summit 3 isn't the reason to conclude that. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On June 06 2015 04:23 HighTimeDotA wrote: All aboard the bandwagon. secrets gonna win ti5 choo choo Seems pretty likely. I think my order of preference is something like: 1) Na'Vi 2) Secret 3) VP 4) Empire 5) VG | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On June 06 2015 04:26 FHDH wrote: Seems pretty likely. I think my order of preference is something like: 1) Na'Vi 2) Secret 3) VP 4) Empire 5) VG mines like this 1.) c9 2 and everybody else doesn't matter | ||
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