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On April 29 2016 18:41 KingThorDan.Extreme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 17:11 Racket wrote:On April 29 2016 15:44 uthgard wrote:
yes they would still 100% get the invite...get real dude On April 29 2016 16:06 KingThorDan.Extreme wrote:On April 29 2016 15:09 Racket wrote:On April 29 2016 13:28 KingThorDan.Extreme wrote:On April 28 2016 21:02 DucK- wrote:On April 28 2016 20:49 FuzzyJAM wrote:On April 28 2016 15:40 DucK- wrote:
1. They are the defending major champions
2. They have a history of doing well in Valve events.
If we based it purely on meritocracy, Secret would not get invited. But it is logical and sensible to invite them because of their reputation/potential. I can't agree. I assume the merit should be judged including at least the last major, otherwise major performance would be irrelevant in determining merit, which would be odd given that they're obviously the most important tournaments. And they are the winners of that major. Sure, there has been a roster change, but the guys who got added were 3rd at that Major. So I find it hard to say they aren't a top 12 team based on merit. I feel if you have a roster change, you're starting from ground zero. We have no clue how well this team would mesh together. All we are basing on is reputation, and that's not meritocracy. I do agree that merit should be judge from the last major, and that's why Liquid is the most deserving of the invites. they change during roster lock period so i see no problem (valve adopted this system esp for this).why start from ground zero lol invites are given on the org Team secret won the major not puppey ,not EE. . newbee changed their lineup after ti4 yet they recieve their direct invite fro ti im sure unless they disband they will be invited for sure So, you say that if Secret changed Puppey and EE instead of w33 and Misery, they would get this invite too? Do you really want us to believe you believe that? Get real dude. ok lets assume(although your logic is super stupid as puppey is the one of the founding member of TS) that they changed puppey and EE still they would get the invite.3 member + changed during roster shuffle period . i see no problem there. heck even empire got invited at esl after the roster change . you're the one that should get real Fans are so funny, I am glad I can read your posts, you make my day even better. So, assuming that my super stupid logic let me make the following assumption: Puppey + EE out, w33+Misery+PLD stay, lets say Fng+Silent join, your super intelligent logic assume that Secret still get the invite because the org received the invite instead of the players. Your statement is of course impossible to prove false but it is still either unbelievable naive or most hypocrite thing to say. It is clear that these five guys got the invite because they are super popular and three of them won the last Major, if you wanna play the Empire+ESL card it is fine but deep down you know it isn't true (either way Empire won a qualifier and then changed roster while Secret changed roster and got the direct invite after that, so it is by no means a valid comparison). empire won with ESL qualifier with different squad ,TS won with different squad but still there is a common GROUND=BOTH WON their respective tickets after ti5 team secret was invited too to esl frankfurt because they got 8th place(ti5) and the org TS was still there.if the org TS was disbanded puppey wont get invite if he forms a new team.cant u see that ?? its funny how you get so salty because they will get ti6 invite ROFL 2nd at 1st major , and champ at 2nd major i see sure 99% invite unless they disbanded
I am not salty, they can get all the invites they want.
I am just pointing out that you are wrong when you believe things are that way and base your beliefs in something that is not even publicly released, and you go so far and try to justify it with impossible to prove arguments. At least my point is based on a business point of view, which is what matters to them (Valve and sponsors) the most in cases like this.
Funny is that I am against direct invites but I can live with it and still enjoy watching the game, you on the other hand would get so so salty if Secret had to qualify for TI6 and failed.
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@racket fyi im a liquid fan and im still salty liquid were denied of their direct inv at shanghai cuz they arent as popular as na'vi , allliance etc.yea it is right to be salty if secret dont get their invite for Ti.
3 former major winning member securing 2nd place n and win at major.
business point view? they will get invite
merit view? they will get
fanbase view? they will get
what else you want?
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Nice, thanks. That is some nasty set up they have there!
On April 29 2016 21:24 KingThorDan.Extreme wrote:
@racket fyi im a liquid fan and im still salty liquid were denied of their direct inv at shanghai cuz they arent as popular as na'vi , allliance etc.yea it is right to be salty if secret dont get their invite for Ti.
3 former major winning member securing 2nd place n and win at major.
business point view? they will get invite
merit view? they will get
fanbase view? they will get
what else you want?
If you change your speech to get around the point it makes no sense. You said not the players but the organization received the invite and unless they disband they wouldn't get the invite.
I say you are wrong, Secret got the invite because the best/most popular two out of five stayed and two of the same caliber arrived, if it were the other way around (those two leaving and two no-names arrived) they would get no invite. According to you, that would be no disband and they would still get the invite, and I say that is wrong.
Even if they disbanded, if the org was the receiver of the invite, it should still be issued to Secret, unless they do not find five people before the dead line.
Empire is a completely different case, the got no invite, they won a qualifier spot to that specific tournament. You can't apply the same rules because you want to.
All in all, these are all assumptions and I just wanted you to realize your assumptions are kind of naive or blind. I am more realistic and I believe Valve would only choose not to invite such a stack of players (Secret) if they couldn't help it, meaning Secret or last TI winners for instance, which would never happen because we will never see a tournament of this caliber with a single invite.
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was wondering about the Nvidia sponsorship they got a while back since the team didn't put them in their media/banner but I guess this answer my question.
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The fact is I didn't see Universe as a hell of an offlaner back in EG and now Bulba is making the plays with his DS, so every team kinda needs to first phase ban DS against EG. In parallel, the legendary Puppey Enigma got demolished by KingR in a humiliating way. Is it just me or things just don't work around Secret anymore?
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Probably need to play more. More official matches would be great but unfortunately they already have access to finals in most tournaments.
Rubick game was a serious draft blunder most of all.
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On May 01 2016 18:12 maximrobi wrote:
The fact is I didn't see Universe as a hell of an offlaner back in EG and now Bulba is making the plays with his DS, so every team kinda needs to first phase ban DS against EG. In parallel, the legendary Puppey Enigma got demolished by KingR in a humiliating way. Is it just me or things just don't work around Secret anymore?
That would be kind of hasty. I think they need more time. Of course, one of the problems with Secret is that their fans are used to own from the beginning while falling off at the end. Things can change and what here may seem not to be working could get better in the end.
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any teams can look with bad drafts. also people keep overrating that rubick smh.the real hero was that stupid enchantress ult from last patch.
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On May 01 2016 18:12 maximrobi wrote:
The fact is I didn't see Universe as a hell of an offlaner back in EG and now Bulba is making the plays with his DS, so every team kinda needs to first phase ban DS against EG. In parallel, the legendary Puppey Enigma got demolished by KingR in a humiliating way. Is it just me or things just don't work around Secret anymore?
Universe has been less amazing in 2016 than the past, but he's plainly still pretty amazing.
We've not seen Secret on this patch. Give it time. It's not beyond possibility that they'll be bad, but I hardly find it likely.
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And Secret has just lost to Newbee by 2-0. A pretty dragged game tbh.
What is actually wrong with the new Secret?
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On May 10 2016 20:51 adzzlie wrote:
And Secret has just lost to Newbee by 2-0. A pretty dragged game tbh.
What is actually wrong with the new Secret?
Nothing, they lost to somebody who has been destroying everybody for the past few weeks. I was actually surprised the G2 looked as good as it did, since Newbee hasn't looked even remotely threatened before.
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There's nothing really wrong, if you actually watched the games both of them were for the most part well played and were extremely close to turning Secret's way. In the first game after Secret strong few first minutes the game turned to Newbee's advantage in extremely close situations, which didn't come down to some bad play or anything but it's just dota that some situations go one way by a hair. After Newbee gained the lead the game was rather difficult for Secret to play just due to the nature of the drafts for quite a while before Secret started getting some key items.
Second game there were different things which could have turned the game in Secret's favor pretty easily. For example had EE succeeded with his armlet/wand usage in one of those early fights and lived imo he could have just snowballed to a point of no return for Newbee. But again it didn't happen and then it came down to a few teamfights and base pushes later on.
In general though I'm not too big a fan of their drafting atm. Not sure if they planned the Huskar pick all along in the last game but imo their draft was awful until that specific pick. They had a lineup that can only essentially teamfight against a better teamfight lineup, but the Huskar of course makes fights very different if he can't be brought down. In any case I don't think the approach they took in the draft was good at all, though credit to Newbee for their drafting of course. In the first game too the draft was way worse the moment they lost their early advantage, perhaps they should have been able to keep it but anyway their options were extremely limited until they got like NS aghs etc., they had absolutely no counter play to Newbee's initiation while Secret needed perfect vision to jump the right targets or their initiation won't work. Both games were winnable, 2nd game had a larger margin for error I would say, but on the other hand imo that 2nd game draft was only salvaged by that Huskar so I don't think the overall draft approach was that great.
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secret is playing fine, the potential problem is that a number of tournaments in a row with no results will cause a rift among the players that can't be repaired. if they have patience and keep working hard the results will come
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Games vs newbee better than expected. Don't give up boyz.
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On May 11 2016 00:20 t3rm1nal wrote:
Games vs newbee better than expected. Don't give up boyz.
Yeah i've seen those comments for the old liquid lineup.
You know how that worked out. And they didnt have that many stars.
I really like puppey, but that roster is doomed from day one. I really hope they do well in this tournament, no matter that if they dont ill be able to say "Told you so", i prefer to see them in the top 4.
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Secret lost game2 when they outdrafted NewBee, impressive.
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It's not that grim if they don't let their egos get in the way. Their games vs Newbee were close even though they had sloppy plays that suggested they need more time to get on the same page.
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Well it was tough to play the first games of the tournament against rampaging Newbee, hopefully they can pull it together and advance further.
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