EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 155
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deadmau
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goody153
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traumatism
Singapore3728 Posts
EDIT: Nevermind AA kills what little hope existed. | ||
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adzzlie
Korea (South)81 Posts
Also, first game against VP went pretty well, but VP managed to get another score in a game that took more than 60 mins. If there aren't any throws from Secret, is it actually their draft that is unable to withstand enemy's draft? I only understand a little bit of drafting, and from what I can tell, yesterday's draft was a helluva mess. Especially the 2nd game. | ||
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Dr.Sneyder
Austria27 Posts
And the ignorance of Puppey to ban smth you lost once... Hope this starts chaning soon | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
On May 11 2016 22:40 Dr.Sneyder wrote: I liked the new team at first sight, but i gotta say.... both Arteezy and Universe are horribly underperforming at times.... And the ignorance of Puppey to ban smth you lost once... Hope this starts chaning soon I wonder how much secret regrets kicking w33 and misery. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On May 11 2016 22:41 tapes wrote: I wonder how much secret regrets kicking w33 and misery. They may regret it after Manila and TI, but at this point these conclusions are silly. Or did people already forget that Secret bombed out in 3 consecutive tournaments between Frankfurt and Shanghai and then won the major? In general I feel they do a bunch of things well in their play but then they had a few too many complete screw ups. Like in g2 they did very well to avoid the early pressure from VP and to get themselves ahead, but after that there was that top fight where VP went on rtz with aegis, pie wasted relocate, rtz died again and the rest of Secret came in. In the later wipe the Ember got some good cleaves off, I can't exactly recall what happened but I remember the Ember barely killing Rtz with some final cleave when he was running away for example. And in this g3 their support rotations mostly were very unsuccessful (though partly not because they were terrible but for example smoke broke in an unfortunate location, ES denied himself to neutrals, etc), Rtz was pretty poorly positioned or went for a bad kill like 1-2 times, and then they felt forced to take rosh fights and VP took them well. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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maximrobi
Hungary347 Posts
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trollcenter
362 Posts
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bakpoeder
Netherlands15 Posts
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goody153
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Dr.Sneyder
Austria27 Posts
But still you can say that they just havent played well since their forming - why going for the obvious OVERstackeing of talents. Misery was performing great - maybe you still try to arrange yourself with w33 or search another replacement We'll see where this is going to lead for them - i think they should start play more officials. Only going to LANs where you get invited always skipping online qualifiers etc. missing the real practice | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On May 11 2016 23:06 trollcenter wrote: So, they're out? They played terrible today indeed, didn't look like a team at all. Maybe it's a communication issue or lack of trust in each other, but they weren't coordinated, they didn't take the initiative and they didn't seem to have a gameplan at all against VP. Unusual to see Universe perform so bad in Secret as well. no, they're in lower bracket, but if the mindset and play quality continues this way they will lose to any team | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On May 11 2016 22:43 spudde123 wrote: They may regret it after Manila and TI, but at this point these conclusions are silly. Or did people already forget that Secret bombed out in 3 consecutive tournaments between Frankfurt and Shanghai and then won the major? In general I feel they do a bunch of things well in their play but then they had a few too many complete screw ups. Like in g2 they did very well to avoid the early pressure from VP and to get themselves ahead, but after that there was that top fight where VP went on rtz with aegis, pie wasted relocate, rtz died again and the rest of Secret came in. In the later wipe the Ember got some good cleaves off, I can't exactly recall what happened but I remember the Ember barely killing Rtz with some final cleave when he was running away for example. And in this g3 their support rotations mostly were very unsuccessful (though partly not because they were terrible but for example smoke broke in an unfortunate location, ES denied himself to neutrals, etc), Rtz was pretty poorly positioned or went for a bad kill like 1-2 times, and then they felt forced to take rosh fights and VP took them well. Yeah your argument holds until you realize all this mistakes were made against a team like VP. Not to mention, a better shape secret (or t1 teams) even with those mistakes could have won the games either way. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
pld is foreverLion, envy is foreverCloud9. RTZ tilts like a madman, uni and ppy are trash. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On May 11 2016 23:08 Dr.Sneyder wrote: I get what you're saying spudde But still you can say that they just havent played well since their forming - why going for the obvious OVERstackeing of talents. Misery was performing great - maybe you still try to arrange yourself with w33 or search another replacement We'll see where this is going to lead for them - i think they should start play more officials. Only going to LANs where you get invited always skipping online qualifiers etc. missing the real practice I'm not really in a position to say how their team felt from the inside and what they thought would happen had they kept the same players. But my point is just that whether the team is successful or not is ultimately decided at Manila and at TI. And as we saw from the last Secret, the performance in tournaments before the major don't necessarily tell how strong the teams are when the major starts. And as I said above I think there's plenty of things they do well too, both this VP series and the 2nd Empire series from ESL were close to being 2-0 for Secret, but they did one massive fuckup in both games which lead to them getting wiped. But interesting to see how it'll go on the main stage. | ||
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Dr.Sneyder
Austria27 Posts
On May 11 2016 23:14 ForTehDarkseid wrote: Well, my apologies to EternalEnvy. He has all rights in the world to teach Universe how to become remotely relevant in Dota once again. They lost literally in a worst way possible. pld is foreverLion, envy is foreverCloud9. RTZ tilts like a madman, uni and ppy are trash. well thats a little harsh to say - ppy is far away from being trash, he just needs to start to realise that a mix of 5 ultra highly skilled individual players is not the way to go When you see it in the most simple way. Since you kinda reached the skillcap you can only perform worse than standard (which is what they are doing atm) Where as when you have some players that have potential to grow, be it in professional play or mechanics wise...you can get motivated and start overperforming | ||
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Dr.Sneyder
Austria27 Posts
On May 11 2016 23:15 spudde123 wrote: I'm not really in a position to say how their team felt from the inside and what they thought would happen had they kept the same players. But my point is just that whether the team is successful or not is ultimately decided at Manila and at TI. And as we saw from the last Secret, the performance in tournaments before the major don't necessarily tell how strong the teams are when the major starts. And as I said above I think there's plenty of things they do well too, both this VP series and the 2nd Empire series from ESL were close to being 2-0 for Secret, but they did one massive fuckup in both games which lead to them getting wiped. But interesting to see how it'll go on the main stage. You're right - time will tell | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
im not sure but secret and other teams could sing up for more online leagues, those really help. in csgo you can see navi, lg, astralis, etc... playing online qualifiers ALL the time, almost no team is invited right away to big tournaments (besdies major to major in the leged status). Ok there are some tournaments with invite system but almost every week that theres not a tournament you can see top teams battling each other in some league Im not sure why but feels like that playing qualifiers (or online leagues for all that matter) is like "bad" in dota 2, like if you do those you must suck and whatsoever. Secret is 5-11 with this line up and has yet to win a single boX Scrims are good and whatnot, but you need some of the real deal to keep you on your toes, that theres actually something to lose on the line | ||
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