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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
January 19 2016 03:09 GMT
#1341
On January 19 2016 11:00 mutantmagnet wrote:
If EG still had AUI they wouldn't have the drafting issue people are discussing here.

More importantly people would be unable to use that asn an excuse anymore.

Alliance was outplaying EG at every turn. Rewatch the games guys. Warding and movement patterns dictated everything. Draft meant nothing here.

EG thought 1 step ahead to beat and counter Alliance while Alliance thought 2 steps ahead.


I think it's much more likely that they were completely unprepared for how good Alliance would be playing. They didn't prepare at all to draft and play against them and their heroes in the grand finals. This patch was a huge buff to alliance. If it had been a best of 5 I think it could have gone to 5 games (but S4 rekt mid and that pretty much gg'd both games early on).
Push 2 Harder
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 19 2016 04:18 GMT
#1342
On January 19 2016 11:00 mutantmagnet wrote:
If EG still had AUI they wouldn't have the drafting issue people are discussing here.

More importantly people would be unable to use that asn an excuse anymore.

Alliance was outplaying EG at every turn. Rewatch the games guys. Warding and movement patterns dictated everything. Draft meant nothing here.

EG thought 1 step ahead to beat and counter Alliance while Alliance thought 2 steps ahead.


For as much as we talk about all of the big plays in the mid-game (especially the throws/bad team fights), so much of high-level dota is decided by the early ganking rotations. Once you build a lead, the top teams can simply play smart enough to hold onto that. Game 1 vs Alliance came down to the Top Radiant Tier 1 fight. If Sumail can get jumped in to get the Scream off and blow up the Wisp, EG would have cleaned up that fight and taken a sizable lead. Game 2 really came down to some very early ganks then Alliance just grouping up around the map for the next 15 minutes. By dragging out the game without being able to fight, EG couldn't use the Lasso + Zeus Ulti + Haunt combination to get constant pick-offs. That was legitimately the best defensive play I've seen in a game. Alliance read what EG needed to do, then prevented them from doing it. This also put EG just far enough behind that defending their Barracks didn't net them any gold. They came out behind in 3 straight defenses.

So, for EG, I imagine they'll look closely at what Alliance was doing against them. There seems to be an issue with mid-game vision on EG's side, which is probably why they picked Zeus in game 2. (Might see more Universe Beastmaster in the future.) Also, Alliance farmed the map supremely efficiently, so that's something else worth studying. It is a "new map", so there are things not completely figured out yet.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44099 Posts
January 26 2016 20:27 GMT
#1343


Yeah even here they talk about mangobay

artour pls
this is a quote
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
January 26 2016 22:45 GMT
#1344
man playing in a mall?
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 27 2016 00:44 GMT
#1345
There's hope yet for an esports event in Minnesota! Bring on the DotA 2 Mall of America Championships!
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ehFk
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada53 Posts
January 28 2016 21:29 GMT
#1346
I think I have seen enough of EG drafting Sven. Gone are the days of the 4 knight strat.
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
January 28 2016 22:26 GMT
#1347
sumail has been having a terrible time mid this patch. It's clear his invoker is a tier below the top invoker players like Miracle and w33ha. He also has lost some mid match ups that equally skilled players should not have lost. I think the kid needs to take the next month and spam.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
January 29 2016 07:17 GMT
#1348
On January 29 2016 07:26 bumwithagun wrote:
sumail has been having a terrible time mid this patch. It's clear his invoker is a tier below the top invoker players like Miracle and w33ha. He also has lost some mid match ups that equally skilled players should not have lost. I think the kid needs to take the next month and spam.

Maybe he is washed up and needs to retire. Isn't it how really dota works?
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 29 2016 12:57 GMT
#1349
On January 29 2016 07:26 bumwithagun wrote:
sumail has been having a terrible time mid this patch. It's clear his invoker is a tier below the top invoker players like Miracle and w33ha. He also has lost some mid match ups that equally skilled players should not have lost. I think the kid needs to take the next month and spam.

kinda agree, think sumail and ppd have looked the least sharp of the eg guys. its very small things to adjust to be on top of ur game again tho.
btw, i think miracle looks alott better then w33, but I havent seen all secret games tho.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
January 30 2016 00:10 GMT
#1350
no doubt miracle is the best western mid skillwise right now. Im pretty sure alot of OG's dominance is the fact that he always is destroying mid and coming out of the laning stage making a huge impact
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 30 2016 01:17 GMT
#1351
What the hell, what time does this game start? Earlier it was scheduled for midnight USE, then it was set for 9:00pm, and now back to midnight. People just trying to screw with me on this TL calendar?
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
January 30 2016 01:44 GMT
#1352
On January 30 2016 10:17 Chewbacca. wrote:
What the hell, what time does this game start? Earlier it was scheduled for midnight USE, then it was set for 9:00pm, and now back to midnight. People just trying to screw with me on this TL calendar?


They are changing schedule around again. Happened yesterday.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 30 2016 01:52 GMT
#1353
There was a crowd at Hot Topic getting in the way.

(The stage is in a shopping Mall.)
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
January 30 2016 02:07 GMT
#1354
Even though EG got 2-0'd in groups, I think they still have a good shot at winning.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
January 30 2016 02:09 GMT
#1355
On January 29 2016 21:57 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 07:26 bumwithagun wrote:
sumail has been having a terrible time mid this patch. It's clear his invoker is a tier below the top invoker players like Miracle and w33ha. He also has lost some mid match ups that equally skilled players should not have lost. I think the kid needs to take the next month and spam.

kinda agree, think sumail and ppd have looked the least sharp of the eg guys. its very small things to adjust to be on top of ur game again tho.
btw, i think miracle looks alott better then w33, but I havent seen all secret games tho.

PPD is not a great player. He's a good player, but not a great one. He's a stellar captain, which makes up for it, but he's always going to be at his best when the relevant supports require very little mechanical skill and only moderate tactical skill (for example, defensive supports). So I wouldn't be worried if he isn't showing off a ton of skill; he just needs to figure out how to draft himself some simple and potent heroes so that he can focus more on what he actually lends to the team.

Sumail does seem to be slumping, though. They need to bump him down a level or two on hero farm and focus on playmaking. Probably he's just having a bad month. Everyone has those, and I can't imagine getting destroyed by the skilled and wily s4 helps.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
January 30 2016 03:51 GMT
#1356
Game 1 vs VG just a great back-and-forth match to watch for anyone who wasn't able to watch live.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-30 05:56:56
January 30 2016 05:55 GMT
#1357
Eg only plays well when the pressure is on. A great and awful trait to have at the same time. It's great cause they never get rattled when facing elimination and seem to always make memorable lower bracket runs. It's awful when they are in single elimination tournaments or when they fail to make a lower bracket run and look like trash.

But damn do they dont fail to entertain. :D
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 30 2016 18:06 GMT
#1358
EG going for yet another lower bracket run to the finals!
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 30 2016 18:21 GMT
#1359
boys looking alott better today, last game vrs LGD was a total stomp. and sumail got 15 kills in 23 mins :D gonna be good for him going up against miracle tomorrow. hope ill be able to wake up for the games vrs OG, starting really early for EU's.
gogo eg!
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
hiraishin
Profile Joined January 2016
Philippines3 Posts
January 30 2016 19:17 GMT
#1360
EG FTW
Long Live BROODWAR Kim Taek Yong FIGHTING (Bisu[Shield])
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