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On February 03 2015 02:46 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 01:21 spudde123 wrote:
After today top8 is looking quite possible for c9. It is pretty likely that c9 can go even 1-2 tomorrow, as long as their win is against LGD. If they lose to LGD, then beating iG and EG is enough for top8 if LGD loses to HGT. But the most likely thing to happen is probably that everything will come down to that LGD game which will be played last tomorrow.
Unfortunately for c9 they don't have the head-to-head on BG, NaVi or HR so even if they go 3-0 tomorrow it may be hard to jump several places. But I suppose it's pointless to speculate with the different scenarios, if they manage to make it to the winner bracket the first round opponent will be tough anyway, be it Secret, VG or EG.
But on the positive side for c9 they have managed to come back after that disastrous day 2. That game against Newbee was extremely important to win, and they managed to bring it back after a very unfortunate start. Courier getting killed, n0tail stacking camps with Chen, not getting the appropriate creep to clear it, then getting cliffed by Rubick, SF getting the haste and stealing the 3 or 4 stack. Granted Newbee is not performing well, but still that was a game where they could have just crumbled after the start (which was so bad in large part due to just bad luck), making a top8 spot more difficult to get for the final day. In the same post you expect them to beat EG, and yet you're happy they beat Newbee. Newbee was easy as fuck to beat in that tournament, and EG is way superior to C9. C9 really needs a carry able to do something else then farming. I hope BDN and Misery find a better home for their amazing plays
ROFL, don't you have anything better to do (like I dunno circlejerking over secret). No idea why you come to the cloud9 thread and talk shit about Envy, when Envy actually IS cloud 9. Cloud 9 wihtout envy would just be Mouz 2.0, or worse, Tinker 2.0. Allegedly talented on paper, but no leadership, drafting or cohesion to speak of.
BDN and misery have achieved exactly diddly squat in dota 2, aside from winning a couple of online tournies (including a non-serious captain draft). It was literally the same with Kaipi before Envy joined them. Say what you will, but he knows how to turn an average team into a top tier team.
On February 03 2015 03:10 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 02:38 goody153 wrote:
wait is that charlie i'm seeing here ? you would be correct charlie is still great friends with EE it seems haha -snip-
Charlie and Conrad (aka Quantumpope, C9 manager) are extremely close. It was Conrad who recommended Charlie to EG management when they were looking for a manager, after which both of them worked together on EG for a while. Later on, when Conrad's contract was not renewed by EG, C9 picked him up as a manager, replacing shadowing.
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Wow i unleashed the EE sama fanboys. guys i just pointed out someone who said that he expected them to beat EG and in the same time was really happy they won a tough match against the terrible 2-13 newbee and all you can read is something about your EE god.
EE is a farming god, but his decision making in game is just horrible.
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On February 03 2015 03:48 zdarr wrote:
Wow i unleashed the EE sama fanboys. guys i just pointed out someone who said that he expected them to beat EG and in the same time was really happy they won a tough match against the terrible 2-13 newbee and all you can read is something about your EE god.
EE is a farming god, but his decision making in game is just horrible.
except spudde literally was expecting 1-2 and didn't think they would win 2 matches today lol; you extrapolated how he thought C9 was favored vs. EG when he really states that C9 needed to win at least one and hopefully two matches today (which they did). The NB game was indeed close and C9 did need the win (just look at today's standings)
As for the EE flame. lol. Just lol. did you watch today's games?
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On February 03 2015 03:48 zdarr wrote:
Wow i unleashed the EE sama fanboys. guys i just pointed out someone who said that he expected them to beat EG and in the same time was really happy they won a tough match against the terrible 2-13 newbee and all you can read is something about your EE god.
EE is a farming god, but his decision making in game is just horrible.
do u realise ur bashing his decision making right after that game vs lgd...? u should stop posting about both ee and c9.
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i know that envy and NA circle are friends but it's dinner and i'm surprised that Charlie isn't with EG
On February 03 2015 03:56 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 03:48 zdarr wrote:
Wow i unleashed the EE sama fanboys. guys i just pointed out someone who said that he expected them to beat EG and in the same time was really happy they won a tough match against the terrible 2-13 newbee and all you can read is something about your EE god.
EE is a farming god, but his decision making in game is just horrible. do u realise ur bashing his decision making right after that game vs lgd...? u should stop posting about both ee and c9.
yeah .. usually when the talk revolves around envy it's just some dumb hate post/comment/discussion that came from baseless speculation or biased hate from every reason they could think off or even just the heat of the moment as long shots can be fired at envy.
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Nowhere in my post did I even suggest that I expected them to beat EG, I was just going through different scenarios for the final day. In fact, I didn't talk about any of the matches today in terms of who is likely to win, just purely what c9 needed to get top8. I actually have no clue how one can even interpret the post as me saying c9 is favored over EG.
The reason I was pleased that they beat Newbee was not at all as if it somehow showed what c9 would be capable of, but again just purely because they needed the win to make their chances for top8 better, and in big part due to terrible luck their early game was a complete disaster but yet they managed to squeeze out a win.
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On February 03 2015 03:48 zdarr wrote:
Wow i unleashed the EE sama fanboys. guys i just pointed out someone who said that he expected them to beat EG and in the same time was really happy they won a tough match against the terrible 2-13 newbee and all you can read is something about your EE god.
EE is a farming god, but his decision making in game is just horrible.
C9 really needs a carry able to do something else then farming. I hope BDN and Misery find a better home for their amazing plays
Yep, you were totally on-topic and not talking smack.
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EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird.
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On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird.
Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee
Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones
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On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird.
I can see that, it's like i've been posting for month ranting about envy. What am i saying, a month ? No it's been years i'm posting about envy! And it's like we're 100000000 people insulting envy on this thread. Like right now ! Oh wait i'm alone surrounded by fangirls like that piledriver who quote half my post like i only said that.
Well keep praising the envy god that kicked 2 supports to get 2 better supports, and still ends up barely qualifying for the winner bracket. They even end up behind NaVi and HR, can't you see how bad this team is stagnating?
And when you say BDN asked envy to come to c9, seriously dude have you even gave this a thought ? Cuz if you had, you'd have notice that at the time c9 was top 3 in the west, and EG wasn't looking for support (specially 2 of them) at the time. If you were in BDN shoes, seeking a home for misery and yourself, who would you ask? The ruins of alliance? The ruins of navi? Any of the tier 2 teams competting with navi/alliance ruins? EG, whose captain is one of the support ? Or C9, the team led by a carry who kicks the players he doesn't see well fitting in his 4 for 1 strat?
As for the lgd c9 match, i didn't saw it completely. But i rewatched the beginning just for you and it was again the EE show. EE gets firstblooded cuz he can't micro the healing ward (and he have prooved to be unable to do so in more then one game), EE farms the small camp with full life, helped with the healing ward while bone7 dies on the lane right next to him. But that healing ward was needed against that small camp. EE sets the venge to swap the wd and 2 c9 supports die followed by the mid T1 (that's some example of terrible decision making, going in 3v5). And he had a triple kill that lgd basically gave him with a nonsense gang (wd gang with no mana and axe misses blink incomprehensively as he had vision from lycan's wolves).
I'll stop there, cuz i don't think we need more insight on how bad envy can be. He's an amazing farmer and splitpusher, but let's not make up qualities he can only dream of. The current meta has evolved, and the illusion nerf was a huge nerf to EE only playstyle. And now, his team will struggle to beat tier 2 team like navi or HR. And this is what is sad, cuz the team got 4 great players, and should pretend to a top 4 or 5. I really hope they beat big gods, but tbh i don't think that's going to happen.
EDIT : I don't mind being called hater, but i recognize that EE is good at something, while ALL of you are unable to recognize a flaw and yet you ALL call me hater. I hope you can see the irony...
TL;DR : EE good farmer, good splitpusher, but really bad dota player. Kick EE wins TI
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On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones
it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself.
If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters
Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol
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On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol
"Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ".
Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy?
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On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy?
I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz.
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On February 03 2015 11:34 greebosnabble wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz.
A world-class captain would have kept Aui and kicked Throw7.
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On February 03 2015 11:44 Nagamundo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 11:34 greebosnabble wrote:On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz. A world-class captain would have kept Aui and kicked Throw7.
except the most valuable position in the world is offlane (just ask secret) and there was no one out there that was better than bone. I also would not have kicked Aui, but he had his own reasons
On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy?
how did I trashtalk black? Go to the livethread of yesterday's games and go specifically to the parts where VG play(against secret and BG)? I don't want to come off as a hater so I didn't mention what was actually bad about him. I actually like him a lot(and hope that he stays in VG, though that looks to not be the case), I just don't think he could replace Envy's leadership/drafting. It's not that simple where you can just slot players into teams. Just ask Tinker lol
It's a fact that EE has made every team he has gotten on world class. It's a fact that Envy's talent scouting is top tier. It's a fact that every player that has played or even stood in for Envy's teams have loved the experience and highly respected him.
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C9 may as well have won the group stage for all it matters in this stupid tournament format, they're in the winners bracket and have a relatively easy opponent. Key word is relatively.
Both FATA- and bOne7 made too many uncharacteristic mistakes, hopefully a day off will let them get their shit together so C9 can wonnered
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They should have kept aui.
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On February 03 2015 12:13 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 11:44 Nagamundo wrote:On February 03 2015 11:34 greebosnabble wrote:On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz. A world-class captain would have kept Aui and kicked Throw7. except the most valuable position in the world is offlane (just ask secret) and there was no one out there that was better than bone. I also would not have kicked Aui, but he had his own reasons Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? how did I trashtalk black? Go to the livethread of yesterday's games and go specifically to the parts where VG play(against secret and BG)? I don't want to come off as a hater so I didn't mention what was actually bad about him. I actually like him a lot(and hope that he stays in VG, though that looks to not be the case), I just don't think he could replace Envy's leadership/drafting. It's not that simple where you can just slot players into teams. Just ask Tinker lol It's a fact that EE has made every team he has gotten on world class. It's a fact that Envy's talent scouting is top tier. It's a fact that every player that has played or even stood in for Envy's teams have loved the experience and highly respected him.
What i'm saying is the current meta (especially with the illusion nerf) doesn't favor as much as did the other versions the splitpushing wich is where EE is good. He isn't an amazing captain, he isn't an amazing game leader, he doesn't have many strat in his pocket, and he isn't an amazing decision maker. He was an amazing carry to have in a tier 1 team, but his weakness makes him unable to play at the same level in 6.83. And if C9 wants to keep the top 2/3 west they had so far, i think it has to be without him
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On February 03 2015 12:28 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 12:13 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 11:44 Nagamundo wrote:On February 03 2015 11:34 greebosnabble wrote:On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz. A world-class captain would have kept Aui and kicked Throw7. except the most valuable position in the world is offlane (just ask secret) and there was no one out there that was better than bone. I also would not have kicked Aui, but he had his own reasons On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? how did I trashtalk black? Go to the livethread of yesterday's games and go specifically to the parts where VG play(against secret and BG)? I don't want to come off as a hater so I didn't mention what was actually bad about him. I actually like him a lot(and hope that he stays in VG, though that looks to not be the case), I just don't think he could replace Envy's leadership/drafting. It's not that simple where you can just slot players into teams. Just ask Tinker lol It's a fact that EE has made every team he has gotten on world class. It's a fact that Envy's talent scouting is top tier. It's a fact that every player that has played or even stood in for Envy's teams have loved the experience and highly respected him. What i'm saying is the current meta (especially with the illusion nerf) doesn't favor as much as did the other versions the splitpushing wich is where EE is good. He isn't an amazing captain, he isn't an amazing game leader, he doesn't have many strat in his pocket, and he isn't an amazing decision maker. He was an amazing carry to have in a tier 1 team, but his weakness makes him unable to play at the same level in 6.83. And if C9 wants to keep the top 2/3 west they had so far, i think it has to be without him
I don't know how long you've followed the comp scene, but do you remember when Envy played doom/luna/razor and they played deathball dota?
Do you realize that all the players in c9 were not on top 2/3 teams(outside of notail and briefly misery) in the west until they joined envy? How do you know he isn't an amazing captain or game leader when literally every player that has played with him has said the opposite.
EE was never known for playing illusion heroes outside of TB and naga. (weaver, doom, luna, drow, void etc.) I literally don't know why you are so attached to that idea
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On February 03 2015 12:28 zdarr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 12:13 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 11:44 Nagamundo wrote:On February 03 2015 11:34 greebosnabble wrote:On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? I think he's a world-class captain. He's pretty good mechanically, but not as good as s4/rtz. A world-class captain would have kept Aui and kicked Throw7. except the most valuable position in the world is offlane (just ask secret) and there was no one out there that was better than bone. I also would not have kicked Aui, but he had his own reasons On February 03 2015 10:28 zdarr wrote:On February 03 2015 10:16 bagels21 wrote:On February 03 2015 09:51 goody153 wrote:On February 03 2015 08:33 Daralii wrote:
EE has the most passionate antifans, it's weird. Newbee, alliance and xboct follow closely behind ee Ofcourse envy has the most passionate ones it's the combination of his "annoying" voice, his tryhard attitude, the way that some fans fanboy him (EE-sama, He[A]thens, no mercy etc.), and the fact that he's just not very good at expressing himself. If he looked "cool" and wasn't so openly tryhard(remember how the cool kids in high school were the ones who were effortless and didn't care) he wouldn't have 75% of his haters Also ignore this guy above; it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about and is flamebaiting. EE has always been the heart and soul of C9; black is probably a better ricer than EE, but he's had his own flaws (go watch VG's games) also EE's leadership and drafting is what sets him apart lol "Ignore the guy making an argumentation, while i randomly trashtalk black without any argumentation myself. ". Also i never heard his voice, and i like tryhard. But I admit that the blindness of most of his fans is intriguing. Can someone explain me why most c9 fans are unable to see a flaw in EE? Do they really believe he's the best carry in the world ? Or is objectivity impossible for anyone who likes envy? how did I trashtalk black? Go to the livethread of yesterday's games and go specifically to the parts where VG play(against secret and BG)? I don't want to come off as a hater so I didn't mention what was actually bad about him. I actually like him a lot(and hope that he stays in VG, though that looks to not be the case), I just don't think he could replace Envy's leadership/drafting. It's not that simple where you can just slot players into teams. Just ask Tinker lol It's a fact that EE has made every team he has gotten on world class. It's a fact that Envy's talent scouting is top tier. It's a fact that every player that has played or even stood in for Envy's teams have loved the experience and highly respected him. What i'm saying is the current meta (especially with the illusion nerf) doesn't favor as much as did the other versions the splitpushing wich is where EE is good. He isn't an amazing captain, he isn't an amazing game leader, he doesn't have many strat in his pocket, and he isn't an amazing decision maker. He was an amazing carry to have in a tier 1 team, but his weakness makes him unable to play at the same level in 6.83. And if C9 wants to keep the top 2/3 west they had so far, i think it has to be without him
He took a group of completely unknown players and turned them into the second best Western team. Now there's a roster change and they're a bit shaky, maybe third best Western team.
The only other Western player that maybe could've done what Envy did is ppd. KuroKy couldn't with the German teams he worked with.
PLS KICK EE NOT PERFORMING UP TO STANDARDS
EDIT: decided to rant more.
Honestly if you've been watching this group stage and you think EE is the problem I simply don't know what to tell you. He has to figure out drafting in a newer patch where C9's game plan, particularly in the early game, is completely different with their new roster. Even ignoring that, he's been playing well, he's not looking anywhere near the weakest player on the team. I just don't get these EE anti-fans that feel so passionately they have to attack him in a thread full of his fans.
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