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On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands.
You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-Daily
If you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source.
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On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source.
I believe the 2.1M is an average since launch. Considering daily active player base used to hover around 5 million something early on, the actual numbers for today would be a lot less than the said 2.1M and would most likely be something around 1M, which is still significant I guess.
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On August 03 2013 03:33 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source. I believe the 2.1M is an average since launch. Considering daily active player base used to hover around 5 million something early on, the actual numbers for today would be a lot less than the said 2.1M and would most likely be something around 1M, which is still significant I guess.
I agree that it is most likely something around 1m, but that is still a gigantic amount more than mere thousands.
A huge number of people got their $60 worth and enjoyed it. People still enjoy it today. I enjoyed it. I cant wait to go back to playing it with the loot patch when it finally hits.
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Lets not resort to name calling. While not hooked on D3 I still enjoyed over an hundred hours of quality gameplay. It falls far from expectations derived from other blizzard titles but it is still better than a lot of games being published lately. Rather than rage, hype or lose my temper over this announcement I will just wait and see. If its indeed an expansion for d3 I dont see how it could go as far as 2015, given the short half-life of hype nowadays, it would do more harm than good. They usually do a very good job with expansions. I'm just hoping its not another WoW expac as I dont want to get sucked back in!
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The game was a success financially, the people who say it isn't are the ones who expected it to have infinite replayability, which relative to Diablo 2 LoD it didn't. I would know because I am one of them.
The issue with the game is they stripped out many of the elements that created the motivation to continuously replay the game. My biggest disappointment is character build experimentation was one of the biggest replay factors of the game. There was much more depth to your choices since you had to manual select your stats, skill points, and gear (including rune word choices and other socketing). And in the early days there were no do-overs, so each character was a fun little project and if you wanted to try something new you made a new character.
I feel like they had a great model for replayability in Diablo 2 and they stripped out way too many elements to keep people interested.
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I don't think that D3 deserves all that negative attention. After they added monster power etc, it's quite interesting to play. No, it's not as good as D2, as it is like D2 but with a reflection of the current gaming trend(achievements, really easy etc), but I still enjoyed it for many hours, and I still don't feel like I'm done with it.
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On August 02 2013 22:55 [F_]aths wrote:
Yeah, 90% is extremely hard to get. Wings of Liberty with 93% really says something about SC2 (user score is 8.1). HotS got only 86% (and 7.7 user score.)
I'm guessing those reviews are mostly based on the campaign which was much better in WoL. Everything about multiplayer, including balance, quality of ladder maps, the arcade, and the presence of chat channels, was far better on HotS release than WoL.
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On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source.
I wonder how many bots inflates that number.
And by the way, he was not being a moron, i had logged in from time to the time the last months a few times, and i would never see more than a few thousands players online.
http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-gamers-on-a-decline.html
This is from release.
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On August 03 2013 12:55 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source. I wonder how many bots inflates that number. And by the way, he was not being a moron, i had logged in from time to the time the last months a few times, and i would never see more than a few thousands players online. http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-gamers-on-a-decline.htmlThis is from release.
1) Where did you see players online? A huge number of people dont play multiplayer, so the public games list is not accurate for number online.
2) That xfire chart is not accurate, lots of people dont use xfire. There are communities for it though. Like CoD 2, which is #3 on their chart right now (at 24k hours). It outranks WoW by 12k, and with 8 million players that should demonstrate just how inaccurate it can be. Dota2 is even only at 7,110 hours and there are 271,688 people playing it right now at this instant.
All that chart means is that among those that use xfire, they stopped playing d3. From what I remember, LoL took a hit in their numbers when d3 was released and it rose back up after a week or two. So people basically played D3 instead of other games, then returned to their other games.
I imagine D3 is at a particularly low point right now though because so many people are waiting for the loot revamp that we were told about back in March.
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I didn't find Diablo III as fun as I thought it would be so I'll watch it but not care as much as I previously would have lol
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People bought into a massive hype train and when a good game turned out to not be literally the best game ever made they freaked.
D3 was a solid game, it just had some flaws, all of which could be fixed but probably won't. I'll happily look forward to an expansion and I'll definitely buy it but I'm going to and avoid getting hyped as I mistakenly bought into the hype train last time and was inevitably disappointed despite putting well over 100 hours into the game and enjoying most of it.
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If D3 didn't take like a decade to make I'd just say they released the game way too early and didn't balance / think things through enough. Lots of things. But it WAS forever in development and that's probably most of the reason why I really have a strong dislike for it, fair or not. I guess we all just expect so much from Blizzard. In time they kind of fixed some things but by then I and every single friend I knew had already stopped playing. It always has the specter of RMAH over it's head as well which is an ever-present force that effects tons of shit.
I'd definitely be willing to play the expansion though if they rethink how things like the RMAH and other systems work. I'll just temper my expectations to a normal level.
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On August 03 2013 13:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 12:55 Godwrath wrote:On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source. I wonder how many bots inflates that number. And by the way, he was not being a moron, i had logged in from time to the time the last months a few times, and i would never see more than a few thousands players online. http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-gamers-on-a-decline.htmlThis is from release. 1) Where did you see players online? A huge number of people dont play multiplayer, so the public games list is not accurate for number online. 2) That xfire chart is not accurate, lots of people dont use xfire. There are communities for it though. Like CoD 2, which is #3 on their chart right now (at 24k hours). It outranks WoW by 12k, and with 8 million players that should demonstrate just how inaccurate it can be. Dota2 is even only at 7,110 hours and there are 271,688 people playing it right now at this instant. All that chart means is that among those that use xfire, they stopped playing d3. From what I remember, LoL took a hit in their numbers when d3 was released and it rose back up after a week or two. So people basically played D3 instead of other games, then returned to their other games. I imagine D3 is at a particularly low point right now though because so many people are waiting for the loot revamp that we were told about back in March.
Didnt the North America Diablo 3 community pretty much plummet to the bottom of the abyss when the gold inflated due to that glitch? Last I heard alot of people either quit entirely or moved to play on Euro server right?
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Arguing that D3 is a good game (or a financial sucess) on its own is like saying Phantom Menace is a good movie (or a financial sucess) on its own. While there might be some truth to that, its absolutelly idiotic to look at them that way for obvious reasons.
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On August 03 2013 13:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 12:55 Godwrath wrote:On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source. I wonder how many bots inflates that number. And by the way, he was not being a moron, i had logged in from time to the time the last months a few times, and i would never see more than a few thousands players online. http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-gamers-on-a-decline.htmlThis is from release. 1) Where did you see players online? A huge number of people dont play multiplayer, so the public games list is not accurate for number online. 2) That xfire chart is not accurate, lots of people dont use xfire. There are communities for it though. Like CoD 2, which is #3 on their chart right now (at 24k hours). It outranks WoW by 12k, and with 8 million players that should demonstrate just how inaccurate it can be. Dota2 is even only at 7,110 hours and there are 271,688 people playing it right now at this instant. All that chart means is that among those that use xfire, they stopped playing d3. From what I remember, LoL took a hit in their numbers when d3 was released and it rose back up after a week or two. So people basically played D3 instead of other games, then returned to their other games. I imagine D3 is at a particularly low point right now though because so many people are waiting for the loot revamp that we were told about back in March.
Do you play d3 ? You go in, you can check the amount of public parties. When you look for them, and they are only 400/500 public parties overall, you know the state.
And yes, i do believe that those numbers are inflated and false. Because
1 - If you check most forums of d3, except the largest ones, have died or just have the ten same guys posting.
2 - The game has had so bad PR they need to make up for it after one year. Specially when you are releasing it for other platforms.
3 - The "1,2 million of players" everyday is even funnier when you take into account numbers from release http://www.error37.com/, which with 12 million sold copies, for one week, you can make up a year of stupidity.
4 - Bots or legit players.
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On August 03 2013 00:57 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 00:25 [F_]aths wrote:On August 03 2013 00:08 Mataza wrote:On August 02 2013 21:44 [F_]aths wrote:
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Whether fanboy is an insult is your decision. But you could also go and refute what I wrote after mocking you. After all, distraction is as weak an argument as ad hominem attacks. Isn't WC3's battlenet better in many aspects than the battlenet of SC2? Has it not been lacking some features that brood wars old battlenet already had for a long time after its release? The focus of the SC2 bnet is different from WC3. SC2 allows to be in a party, making playing in arranged teams much easier. SC2 downloads the map from the bnet and not the custom game host, making joining games much easier since you dont get kicked for not having the map. If you watched professional replays, you had a hard time in WC3 because the replay needs the tournament version of the map in the same folder as it was when the game was played. So I needed to create a lot of subdirectories with copies of the map. If you didn't had the tournament map, you couldnt watch the replay. In WC3, you could not set a note for a friend. On August 03 2013 00:08 Mataza wrote:
Hasn't the tone of the game story become much lighter from brood war to sc2 while the story is notably more inconsistent?
Has not the design team of SC2 promised to focus on making mech actually viable outside of TvT for HotS, and just recently said that while this didn't work out, it is now no longer a priority?
Mind you, old blizzard games weren't patched nearly as heavily as SC2 and still turned out balanced. There have been changes over the years. A lot of the things that in the eyes of many people made blizzard special are slowly vanishing, bit by bit.
People like me are complaining because we wanted them to keep these things, to remain that special company. Or maybe to become that special company again.
But a good memory for the details the things a company promised and then not delivered while telling us that they exceeded their own expectations seems to be a rare thing today.
Oh, and please respond to my whole post if you care to reply, not just the first 3 lines. You raised a lot of issues with a short sentence each; I will not write an essay for each, sorry. The story of SC1 was bad, and got worse in BW imo. The terran campaign in SC1 was full of cliches and poorly executed in my opinion, but at least the campaign was somewhat coherent. The coherency was lost in BW where the UED came into the play as well as some other random figures. No wonder that most of the BW story is not continued in SC2. Do you really carry an unfulfilled promised of the design team against the game without considering what they were able to deliver as a whole? Mech viable or not – I think that WOLs launch version was more balanced (with 1 supply roaches) that most other RTS after the patches. I don't see Blizzard vanishing, they talk a lot more directly to the community than before. Remember WC3 or SC1 times? Patches came, often without any explanation. WC3 never got replay watching with friends implemented though SC1 got it (not at launch, but added with a patch.) SC2 did get it implemented. I would value them talking often to the community much more if they actually had the guts to say no when they mean no and mean yes if they say yes. So far they have always been saying "yes". Obviously they didn't(and couldn't) do everything in the end, but they unfailingly promised the majority of things they were asked. If anything, they have shown to overdesign, to design with such a big number of people that they ended up changing and reverting changes a lot without getting very far. this is of course just my opinion and not a fact. And frankly, calling SC1's terran campaign full of cliches while in WoL there is ambient music literally from italowestern movies while Raynor sits alone in a bar looking at a revolver is something I can't take seriously. Mengsk is as deep as a saturday morning cartoon villainin SC2. Literally everything he is shown to do or not do is in some way evil. One might remember that Kerrigan, Raynor, Fenix and Mengsk found common ground and cooperated in the SC:BW campaign for a certain time. If I might remind you the "dark voice", "samir duran/emil narud", zerg-protoss "hybrids" and Stukov are all elements straight out of bw which were continued in sc2.
As I remember it, they often said that a requested feature is not on the short list. But even if you would be completely right (which I don't think) the game as a whole is still great.
I remember the good old SC1 cast when I played it the first time. I was 21 years then, now I am 36 and I am not as easy to impress anymore. And I prefer the darker characters and a bitter revenge over a love story. But SC2 obviously caters to the now-young players.
+ Show Spoiler [Especially five things annoyed me in SC1] +
- When I moved a marine in the first mission, he asked if I know what I am doing and gave me advise. HELLO? I AM IN CHARGE HERE MARINE!
- "Here is Jimmy". So sick of this line.
- I wanted to show zombielike obedience to my superiors but the storyline forced me to join a rebellion.
- The meeting with Sarah was imo badly written (where she read his mind) comparable to the awful "Are you an angel?" line (from Anakin, in Episode 1.) If one cannot write this stuff in a good way, let someone do who is good at it.
- Mensk is not benign? What a 'surprise'.
The "all races together fight a greater evil" plot is imo overused. WC3 also used this. Some BW parts are continued, but the main plot of BW (the UED) is not really continued. I am glad that Blizzard made this decision. But we are going to have another "all races together fight a greater evil" plot in LotV.
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On August 03 2013 22:00 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 03 2013 12:55 Godwrath wrote:On August 03 2013 03:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:On August 02 2013 20:14 Holy_AT wrote:On August 02 2013 19:54 Plansix wrote:
Man, I love these Blizzard hate train threads.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that Diablo 3 was a success and the vast majority of players who bought the game enjoyed it, I am convinced it was a failure. I will redefine the word "majority" to make my argument, because small number of players that played inferno are the real majority. Majority is, in fact, the loudest group on the internet. Then we will travel down memory lane when I recall all the awesome games from my past, which I was younger, had unlimited free time and my standards of quality were really low.'
Remember folks, less than .5% of the people who purchased SC2 beat it on brutal and they are all on the Team Liquid forums. And yet the Diablo 3 forums on TL are generally dead. Sorry but even if a minority screams loudest, it is still a minority and Diablo 3 was a disappointment for the majority of players. It did not have the rich content that was promoted in its advertisement, nor did it feature pvp or other stuff that was shown. I realize that there are a few hardcore fans that defend their favourite game of choice with a passion but for the large bulk of players, Diablo 3 was a disappointment that did not stand up to its promises and had no long term entertainment value. Yes it is true there are hardcore players that play and enjoy the game but that is not the majority. From over about 10 million copies sold in total, the people actually playing this game on a roughly regularly bases is in the few thousands. You... are a dumbass. Sorry that I have to say that outright, but it is true. In the THOUSANDS? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124240-Diablo-III-Infographic-Shows-2-1-Million-Players-Still-Log-On-DailyIf you have some source that shows the number of people playing daily in the few thousands, by all means link your source. I wonder how many bots inflates that number. And by the way, he was not being a moron, i had logged in from time to the time the last months a few times, and i would never see more than a few thousands players online. http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-gamers-on-a-decline.htmlThis is from release. 1) Where did you see players online? A huge number of people dont play multiplayer, so the public games list is not accurate for number online. 2) That xfire chart is not accurate, lots of people dont use xfire. There are communities for it though. Like CoD 2, which is #3 on their chart right now (at 24k hours). It outranks WoW by 12k, and with 8 million players that should demonstrate just how inaccurate it can be. Dota2 is even only at 7,110 hours and there are 271,688 people playing it right now at this instant. All that chart means is that among those that use xfire, they stopped playing d3. From what I remember, LoL took a hit in their numbers when d3 was released and it rose back up after a week or two. So people basically played D3 instead of other games, then returned to their other games. I imagine D3 is at a particularly low point right now though because so many people are waiting for the loot revamp that we were told about back in March. Do you play d3 ? You go in, you can check the amount of public parties. When you look for them, and they are only 400/500 public parties overall, you know the state. And yes, i do believe that those numbers are inflated and false. Because 1 - If you check most forums of d3, except the largest ones, have died or just have the ten same guys posting. Maybe because only a very, very tiny fraction of gamers actually write in forums?
On a German forum with a main focus on 3D graphics (instead of gaming), the Diablo 3 thread has 20+ regular writers alone. The real Diablo websites in German have forums dedicated entirely to D3 and still generate quite some traffic.
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I think the biggest question is if blizzard has the balls to change fundamental things about D3, if they do the expansions will "fix" the game and make it a worthwhile D2 successor.
But give how they handled HotS(which mind you improved the game by a lot), by not changing any of the fundamental issues(such as defender's advantage, rock-paper-scissors etc) my hopes are low.
12 Million players was surprising for me too. But I believe it's legit, one market we don't have much exposure to is asia. And Diablo is immensely popular there, I can easily imagine half the accounts if not more being from there.
Don't forget how much hype D3 had before it was released, the active player base is low for sure but 12mio accounts sounds feasible with how popular the franchise has been.
I personally think they'll just add new features and stuff which is certainly cool and all but the game has to change at a basic level. I believe they're currently thinking of ladder, removing/limiting RMAH/AH, trying to get in some character customization via the paragon system.
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