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On January 22 2011 10:51 tripper688 wrote:
I really don't see the evidence for "Zerg is Underpowered" at the moment (at least not against T), at least not from the GSL results. Granted, I'm not a pro gamer nor am I an SC2 commentator/analyst but from the statistics....GSL has never been won by a T, despite T having the most representation. Furthermore, GSL 3 has been the ONLY tournament where T has posted an above 50% win rate against Z. Even now in GSL 4, T has a sub 50% win rate against Z (pending MVP vs Nestea). PvZ seems pretty broken right now but P has arguably had a much rougher time overall than Z throughout the GSLs. Just wondering what people make of this.
ZERG is not underpowered.... TERRAN is OVERPOWERED... slightly. As for Protoss. Fairly good enough.
I guess the problem here is the map. Almost all map favors TERRAN first then PROTOSS and lastly ZERG.
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I like how Idra tells it like it is. Zerg really is at a low point these days, despite winning two GSL's not too long ago.
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Thanks artosis, i love your idra interviews 
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I'm starting to respect Idra more and more now, he may qq a bit but I can agree with his reasoning, even being a protoss player myself.
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On January 22 2011 11:23 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 10:51 tripper688 wrote:
I really don't see the evidence for "Zerg is Underpowered" at the moment (at least not against T), at least not from the GSL results. Granted, I'm not a pro gamer nor am I an SC2 commentator/analyst but from the statistics....GSL has never been won by a T, despite T having the most representation. Furthermore, GSL 3 has been the ONLY tournament where T has posted an above 50% win rate against Z. Even now in GSL 4, T has a sub 50% win rate against Z (pending MVP vs Nestea). PvZ seems pretty broken right now but P has arguably had a much rougher time overall than Z throughout the GSLs. Just wondering what people make of this. ZERG is not underpowered.... TERRAN is OVERPOWERED... slightly. As for Protoss. Fairly good enough. I guess the problem here is the map. Almost all map favors TERRAN first then PROTOSS and lastly ZERG.
It's easy to say X is not UP, Y is OP or anything else but in the GSL, the statistics are not backing up all those claims. I'm not saying any race is truly OP or UP, I'm just trying to figure out how a race that is overpowered is consistently losing over 50% of the games when looking at all the maps. I understand that map imbalances influence the results of games but maps favoring T should result in a higher T win rate, not a lower one.
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On January 22 2011 11:41 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 11:23 riyanme wrote:On January 22 2011 10:51 tripper688 wrote:
I really don't see the evidence for "Zerg is Underpowered" at the moment (at least not against T), at least not from the GSL results. Granted, I'm not a pro gamer nor am I an SC2 commentator/analyst but from the statistics....GSL has never been won by a T, despite T having the most representation. Furthermore, GSL 3 has been the ONLY tournament where T has posted an above 50% win rate against Z. Even now in GSL 4, T has a sub 50% win rate against Z (pending MVP vs Nestea). PvZ seems pretty broken right now but P has arguably had a much rougher time overall than Z throughout the GSLs. Just wondering what people make of this. ZERG is not underpowered.... TERRAN is OVERPOWERED... slightly. As for Protoss. Fairly good enough. I guess the problem here is the map. Almost all map favors TERRAN first then PROTOSS and lastly ZERG. It's easy to say X is not UP, Y is OP or anything else but in the GSL, the statistics are not backing up all those claims. I'm not saying any race is truly OP or UP, I'm just trying to figure out how a race that is overpowered is consistently losing over 50% of the games when looking at all the maps. I understand that map imbalances influence the results of games but maps favoring T should result in a higher T win rate, not a lower one.
I'm completely neutral to the balance discussion, but saying that GSL statics don't back that up when 3/4 of top 4 are Terrans once again is a bit far-fetched.
By the way, I really loved the interview. Idra can be really convincing and it's difficult to disagree with him since he's got such confidence behind his words, but I think he's being a bit too negative.
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i'm a bigger fan after every interview
he's such a likable dude
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On January 22 2011 11:41 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 11:23 riyanme wrote:On January 22 2011 10:51 tripper688 wrote:
I really don't see the evidence for "Zerg is Underpowered" at the moment (at least not against T), at least not from the GSL results. Granted, I'm not a pro gamer nor am I an SC2 commentator/analyst but from the statistics....GSL has never been won by a T, despite T having the most representation. Furthermore, GSL 3 has been the ONLY tournament where T has posted an above 50% win rate against Z. Even now in GSL 4, T has a sub 50% win rate against Z (pending MVP vs Nestea). PvZ seems pretty broken right now but P has arguably had a much rougher time overall than Z throughout the GSLs. Just wondering what people make of this. ZERG is not underpowered.... TERRAN is OVERPOWERED... slightly. As for Protoss. Fairly good enough. I guess the problem here is the map. Almost all map favors TERRAN first then PROTOSS and lastly ZERG. It's easy to say X is not UP, Y is OP or anything else but in the GSL, the statistics are not backing up all those claims. I'm not saying any race is truly OP or UP, I'm just trying to figure out how a race that is overpowered is consistently losing over 50% of the games when looking at all the maps. I understand that map imbalances influence the results of games but maps favoring T should result in a higher T win rate, not a lower one.
Terran has high win rate on their maps. It doesn't really mean a big boost in win rate.
As a whole, what makes the SC2 imbalance now is the map.
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NO ZERG SHOULDN'T BE WINNING!!!
Just watched his interviews. He is nuts.
Maybe he got roasted thats why he wants to pull IMNESTEA down.
Really annoying. I respect his opinion but I don't like it.
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Great interview.
Greg always offers such a logical opinion, and its really nice to get it from his perspective (pro gamer in Korea).
I'm looking forward to watching his stream and analysis. Scheduled times is a great idea (specially for Australians only being 2 hours in front of Korea!)
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Will we know when Idra is going to start those stream productions like he said in the interview.
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Thank you for the interview; Greg has a way with words.
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On January 22 2011 12:02 adRo. wrote:
I'm looking forward to watching his stream and analysis. Scheduled times is a great idea (specially for Australians only being 2 hours in front of Korea!)
Sweeet. Looking forward to it too.
edit: Great interview, love idra.
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I was freaking out when the video cut out. Thank god you added the PS... <3<3<3
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Fantastic interview, thanks to Artosis and IdrA. I'm looking forward to watching IdrA's scheduled streams!
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Thanks artosis, this is a great interview and its always good to hear from the players and their perspectives on what they have accomplished.
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On January 22 2011 06:17 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 05:24 me_viet wrote:On January 22 2011 03:58 Eric9 wrote:On January 22 2011 03:35 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2011 03:21 ToDoNtE wrote:
should have asked if he's thinking about changing race ! IdrA answered this question times and times again. Although he thinks Zerg is weak atm, he will not change races (although he is playing toss a bit) because he invested so much time into Zerg. what terrible logic, are u sure he's a pro? He could invest the time from now until the next big tourney practicing another race. If he's as good as people say he is it should be no problem. User was temp banned for this post. lol it takes AGES to master a race well. or get anywhere good enuff to compete at a pro level. Some example of race changes includes TLO and Morrow. Two very good Terran since the start of the beta. THey made the change to Zerg. This is in no way dis-respecting them but they have not made any big splash lately. They kind of just dropped from the radar. I remember back then TLO with his ingenius Terran play and Morrow winning many of the tournaments. This could also be because I haven't been following Sc2 as closely as I was back in the holidays, but still. THe point is, it's NOT easy to switch race especially at the level they're at atm. Telling your sponsor "oh hai, i'm just gonna lose for the next couple of months, you still willing to sponsor me though?" is NOT good considering that's probably Idra's only form of income is. It's certainly difficult to master more than one races, but ZeNEXByun is showing lately that it is definitely possible. Oh, and TLO started out as random, switched to terran, then zerg, then back to random. I'm under the impression he's been switching whenever he feels like things aren't turning out as well as he wanted.
I personally don't have complaints about anyone switching to random. I'd love to see idra do it. Not that he's a bad player, it'll just be funny.
btw, TLO has been bugged with health problems all throughout the latter part of the year. He had numerous bouts with smallpox alone.
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Artosis, respect man, thanks
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