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Great interview, always love watching these. I think IdrA has always had great insight and a good feel for the game when he makes statements about balance, strategy, etc etc.
Next time can you ask him (cuz I've never heard him address this, maybe he has?) Why doesn't he switch races? If he feels that Zerg is the worst and hardest to win with (which as a pro = less chance to make money and win high level games) then why not switch so you have a better chance to make money and do well in big tournaments?
One would think a player would want to play the race they feel good about, not the one they think is trash? Btw I don't think IdrA is wrong about his statements, he would know better than I would, but I just don't get why he wouldn't switch if he doesn't like playing Z.
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Really like the idea of Idra earning some money from (I am assuming) youtube partnership by providing high-content videos and analysis.
Good for him, he deserves to make a decent living from the game.
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Australia8532 Posts
Thanks so much for the interview Artosis; i am really impressed with IdrA's responses.. some really good insight (obviously zerg biased but interesting nonetheless) .. i am really excited that he is going to be putting so much more effort into his streaming and going to provide analysis and VODs!!!
Should be really exciting ..
I was kind of hoping Artosis would ask about the new changes to Jungle Basin  oh well
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On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:On January 22 2011 07:45 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:33 crms wrote:On January 22 2011 03:16 travis wrote:
idra is the most pessimistic guy lol I see him as more of a realist. He goes a bit overboard sometimes but generally he is pretty spot on. This is what I love about IdrA and why I'll be a fan of his, he always tells it like it is. it's ridiculously pessimistic to leave games(especially in a tournament) when you still have a chance of winning. he even admits in the interview that it's still possible for him to win. IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal. Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know  I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it.
I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great.
Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes.
A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign.
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next season there will be new maps! big macro maps, i think zerg will go further then ro 16 ~.~
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i really do enjoy idra interviews. also i love your gsl qualifier videos.
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Thank you for the interview! and awsome that he will do streams at a time i can watch YAY!
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MURICA15980 Posts
On January 22 2011 08:50 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:On January 22 2011 07:45 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:33 crms wrote:On January 22 2011 03:16 travis wrote:
idra is the most pessimistic guy lol I see him as more of a realist. He goes a bit overboard sometimes but generally he is pretty spot on. This is what I love about IdrA and why I'll be a fan of his, he always tells it like it is. it's ridiculously pessimistic to leave games(especially in a tournament) when you still have a chance of winning. he even admits in the interview that it's still possible for him to win. IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal. Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it. I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great. Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes. A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign.
It's all percentages and math though. If statistically, a player who got bunker blocked can come back the same percentage of the time as a player down 0-40 to Federer in a game, in the end of the day, the efforts of the disadvantaged players in both cases can be considered fairly similar as they have a statistically similar chance of a come back. That's my point. If using your basketball example, just make the gap in points big enough that would be similar statistically to a blocked bunker ramp and the same principle applies. In most other sports, you see athletes fighting to the death. They often will lose, but every once in a while you have an EPIC comeback. That's my point. I love those comebacks. So I love the fight.
It's been beaten to death tho so I'll stop.
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So many armchair gladiators telling a world class player how to play... lol...
Great interview, Idra's actually mellowed out compared to past interviews which makes him all the more likable.
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Since Zerg is going to be dealing with these new air builds I'm really happy that we'll have some high level commentary coming from these levels of players in how to fight these things off. I'll definitely be tuning in!
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Awesome interview, it looks like it was on the morning as artosis seems sleepy, thanks IdrA too for the clear opinions as always and looking forward to watch the stream!!
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thanks artosis for this interview. looking forward to Idras stream, should be able to learn alot from him!
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Zerg is very much like a plague, it spreads expedentionally and eventually overwhelms you. Along the way though, there are many opportunities to crush such plague - and right now that's what we are seeing. It's not so much that zerg is imbalanced but moreso the maps in the GSL are not allowing zergs to gain the speed they need to overwhelm their opponets.
Close spawn positions etc or lack of expansions, what we need to see are more macro-based maps that allow zerg to get up to their late game.
I think GSL5 with the new map pool will change this.
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Big thanks to Idra and Artosis for the great interview. It seems like a couple months ago, Zerg was buffed by a patch and the roaches gained extra range and the buildings, extra health. Everyone complained that Zerg were impossible to stop if they did fast expansions. Over time, protoss and terrans learned to counter that move and the Zergs are now again down in the rankings, as Idra emphasized strongly. It would've been interesting to hear in what aspect Zerg needed help to improve their survivability in Code S. Or does he see the problems with the races as being map based, which is something he brought up a few times?
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On January 22 2011 09:10 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 08:50 Lefnui wrote:On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:On January 22 2011 07:45 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:33 crms wrote:On January 22 2011 03:16 travis wrote:
idra is the most pessimistic guy lol I see him as more of a realist. He goes a bit overboard sometimes but generally he is pretty spot on. This is what I love about IdrA and why I'll be a fan of his, he always tells it like it is. it's ridiculously pessimistic to leave games(especially in a tournament) when you still have a chance of winning. he even admits in the interview that it's still possible for him to win. IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal. Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it. I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great. Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes. A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign. It's all percentages and math though. If statistically, a player who got bunker blocked can come back the same percentage of the time as a player down 0-40 to Federer in a game, in the end of the day, the efforts of the disadvantaged players in both cases can be considered fairly similar as they have a statistically similar chance of a come back. That's my point. If using your basketball example, just make the gap in points big enough that would be similar statistically to a blocked bunker ramp and the same principle applies. In most other sports, you see athletes fighting to the death. They often will lose, but every once in a while you have an EPIC comeback. That's my point. I love those comebacks. So I love the fight. It's been beaten to death tho so I'll stop.
Klogon is totally right, I play zerg, I love Idra's playstyle and I understand his feelings, but its too easy for him to always complain.
Look at Fruitdealer in Season 1 against NexLiveForever. Cool lost his hatch, and then lost several drone due to invisible banshees, he didn't give up, and had an epic victory(the most epic victory I ever seen).
Ok it was fruitdealer, ok it was not close position, and its very painful to try something that will propably never work but the fact is : at least Idra, TRY TO DO SOMETHING. Even if banelings or roach all-in will not work, just do it! Because sometimes it works, its just a game and Jinro can do mistakes(like cancelling a marine instead of a barracks).
Bah I'm sure Idra will do well next season as always, he is the Gracken!!
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Thanks for the interview, it was great listening to Idra's insight.
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Nice interview. I didn't really think much of IdrA leaving early on metal.. it DID look pretty grim for him.
Good luck in the next season IdrA!
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Great interview,
I still say that IdrAs biggest weakness ever is his inability to dream/strife. GSL 1, zerg won, GSL 2, zerg won, he keeps setting up barriers to himself: I don't mean he's not speaking truth and zerg might be underpowered at whatnot, but you should still say "I'm gonna rape your ass" and do it.
Either way, gg and gl.
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