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Johnny_Vegas
Profile Joined December 2007
United States239 Posts
January 26 2011 22:07 GMT
#561
On January 27 2011 05:44 DoubleReed wrote:

Have you ever seen a zerg player do this? (Besides for simply droning hard of course)

Because I haven't. I have only seen zergs reinforce advantages they already have, contain opponents with mutalisks and nydus worms, and lose games that they supposedly to have advantages in. I have never seen a zerg come back from a macro disadvantage.


Zerg definitely do come back from macro disadvantages, but it is less likely at the highest level of play for sure. Lower skill players make enough mistakes that anything can happen, but in the Idra vs Jinro situation, Idra surmised that the chances of Jinro making a dumb mistake was practically zero, so I can't blame him for prematurely GGing.

See a lesser player like myself would have tried to do something like in-base hatch (for larvae and creep), spine crawler, or nydus, but Idra just knows that stuff isn't going to work against a player like Jinro, so why bother.

Nevertheless I wish Idra would have kept playing just to demonstrate how difficult/impossible it is to come back from that situation, even if he knows he's going to lose. At least it would have been more fun to watch for the fans. That's a lot to ask though, and I don't blame Idra for leaving the game, especially if it gives him more mental energy for his next game.
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takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
January 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#562
On January 26 2011 03:28 typedef struct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 18:16 ZergOwaR wrote:
Kinda fun to see all these haters that no matter what bluntly refuses to think it might be slight balance issues
or some of those going at idra in this case for QQ'ing.. He told his honest oppinion, deal with it!


Maybe I'm too used to traditional sports, but I don't think it's a professional player's job to be complaining about balance issues to the media/fans. I do like to hear what's going through players' minds (I'm sure most hardcore player/fans do), I just wonder if it's the best thing for the sport.


In what traditional sport is balance even a factor? You can't compare E-Sports and traditional sports in that way, it doesn't make sense.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
January 27 2011 02:39 GMT
#563
just look at amateur soccer. The referee there will end the game if he thinks one team is being destroyed. Look at boxing if someone gives up after 3 rounds because he doesnt stand a chance. Should he fight to death or ko even knowing he will lose? Hell no. There are many sports where people give up but most of the time they still "play" because its agains the rules to leave or whatever.
ZannX
Profile Joined August 2010
United States70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 04:45:21
January 27 2011 04:44 GMT
#564
On January 27 2011 08:33 takingbackoj wrote:

In what traditional sport is balance even a factor? You can't compare E-Sports and traditional sports in that way, it doesn't make sense.


There's always officiating balance and rule changes that shift balance towards gameplay styles and certain athletes (i.e. the introduction of the 3 point line to spread the floor, 3 second lane violations, and offensive goaltending to take away from 7 footers hording the rim). In that respect, players have always voiced their opinions on new rule changes etc. We saw plenty of that this season from the NFL. The NBA even had their own technical 'respect the game' fiasco this season.
fant0m
Profile Joined May 2010
964 Posts
January 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#565
On January 22 2011 03:17 Drey wrote:
Funny, people used to say hes the most cocky player a couple of months ago.


I'm pretty sure no one has ever disputed that he talks about how Zerg needs buffs constantly....

That has nothing to do with being "cocky." He still thinks he's better than everyone else, and blames his losses on his race every time.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 14:08:31
January 27 2011 14:07 GMT
#566
On January 27 2011 13:45 fant0m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 03:17 Drey wrote:
Funny, people used to say hes the most cocky player a couple of months ago.


I'm pretty sure no one has ever disputed that he talks about how Zerg needs buffs constantly....

That has nothing to do with being "cocky." He still thinks he's better than everyone else, and blames his losses on his race every time.


I sincerely doubt he has gotten as good as he has by blaming all his losses on his race. This is hyperbole.

Honestly, if you've ever heard him talk about strategy, he actually does think critically of himself all the time. I'm sure in that game he said "well that's why you block the ramp with the drone. Stupid loss for me." Watch some of his pro-tip VODs. In some he describes why he lost a situation (strategy-wise, not balance-wise).
bkim93
Profile Joined January 2011
8 Posts
January 28 2011 02:49 GMT
#567
i feel like the gsl was a bit unfair since idra and jinro were put together every single time they were in the same group. (they even started in the same group in the ro32)
grandkai
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada71 Posts
January 29 2011 07:55 GMT
#568
Very nice interview!
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