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IdrA on why he left so fast vs Jinro and more! - Page 27

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Truffy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States95 Posts
January 24 2011 06:19 GMT
#521
On January 23 2011 16:01 IdrA wrote:
you were saying?

This was the most perfect response for the nes tea games ever
1a2a3a-->gg
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
January 24 2011 13:08 GMT
#522
On January 24 2011 14:05 United wrote:
So...if Idra played terran he would have won the gsl?


Most likely not, because he has not put much (more likely none) training into Terran. The Mechanics wouldn't quite fit, he wouldn't know the timings perfectly off by heart & intuition etc.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
January 24 2011 13:12 GMT
#523
I think he meant that if he had started out as T, he would've been much more successful (which I'd agree to some extent)
the farm ends here
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
January 24 2011 13:45 GMT
#524
Hopefully our nerd IdrA keeps his morale high for season 5. Realistically though, the Korean players are starting to get SO good, it looks like us Foreigners will never see a non-Korean win the GSL.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
January 24 2011 13:52 GMT
#525
I think IdrA will win the GSL at least once. I don't really know why, but somehow I am quite convinced of it.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
January 24 2011 14:53 GMT
#526
On January 24 2011 15:19 Truffy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 16:01 IdrA wrote:
you were saying?

This was the most perfect response for the nes tea games ever


especially because there were no answers between them

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 18:35:53
January 24 2011 18:21 GMT
#527
On January 24 2011 22:12 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I think he meant that if he had started out as T, he would've been much more successful (which I'd agree to some extent)


You know Idra actually started as terran in beta and then changed to zerg?
HunterStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
January 24 2011 18:42 GMT
#528
I don't think it's accurate for Idra to describe the match vs Jinro on Metalopolis as "unwinable". I've seen many Korean Zergs (namely CheckPrime) battle back from huge early game deficits to win. There is a huge difference between "unwinable" and what really is maybe 5 or 10% chance to win which is significantly in the RO8 of the GSL. Idra needs to man up, honestly. I'm always rooting for him but his playstyle is truly cowardly.
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
January 24 2011 18:57 GMT
#529
I think idra would be better player if he'd lose his attitude. I honestly think he could win next gsl if he focuses more on strategy and less on raging.

If he was in genius' place he'd rage about protoss having to build cannons blindly while zerg can macro/take new base... (xel naga game) PROTOSS
if he was in jinro's place he'd quit once those lings entered his base... (jungle basin game) TERAN

I'm jet to see idra loose just because of bad map settings.
this last session against jinro was far from perfect and most of his comments are about maps, mvp and how bad zergs are. some acknowledgement for miss controling lings and drones would be nice.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 19:11:48
January 24 2011 19:10 GMT
#530
On January 24 2011 22:12 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I think he meant that if he had started out as T, he would've been much more successful (which I'd agree to some extent)


I hate these kind of arguments. I think it's a pretty cheap move by IdrA to insult Terran players day in day out "for playing that race" but not backing it up by switching and showing how much better he's doing with Terran. Truth is that IdrA knows Terran isn't suited for his style and that he'd probably not be any more succesful without the ability to play his turtle macro style. He also knows it wouldn't be as easy as he likes to pretend.

Instead of encouraging his bold statements and quoting them as proof for imbalance, I think people should be a little bit more critical and request IdrA to show us the blatant Terran OP'ness himself. I have no doubt MVP would beat IdrA in a BO7 regardless of what race Idra chose to play.

Also, isn´t it coincidental that both in BW and SC2 IdrA is playing the "underpowered" race, valiantly struggling against the "overpowered" races?
I think esports is pretty nice.
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
January 24 2011 19:50 GMT
#531
On January 25 2011 04:10 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 22:12 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I think he meant that if he had started out as T, he would've been much more successful (which I'd agree to some extent)


I hate these kind of arguments. I think it's a pretty cheap move by IdrA to insult Terran players day in day out "for playing that race" but not backing it up by switching and showing how much better he's doing with Terran. Truth is that IdrA knows Terran isn't suited for his style and that he'd probably not be any more succesful without the ability to play his turtle macro style. He also knows it wouldn't be as easy as he likes to pretend.

Instead of encouraging his bold statements and quoting them as proof for imbalance, I think people should be a little bit more critical and request IdrA to show us the blatant Terran OP'ness himself. I have no doubt MVP would beat IdrA in a BO7 regardless of what race Idra chose to play.

Also, isn´t it coincidental that both in BW and SC2 IdrA is playing the "underpowered" race, valiantly struggling against the "overpowered" races?


IdrA is playing some off race (Protoss), as well as many other top Zergs at one point said they will/want to switch races and/or are training an off race. It's not as easy to switch races as you might think. If it was, I'm pretty sure we would see way less Zergs.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 24 2011 20:02 GMT
#532
Thanks, thanks thanks! All the answers I have been seeking are finally within my grasp... .
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Malminos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
January 24 2011 21:33 GMT
#533
I dunno, i see a lot of naysayers claiming Idra to be a QQer, etc. Anyone who'se played zerg for an extended period of time knows the issue with maps he's talking about. Being in close positions or being forced to expand toward a terran or toss is the most difficult for zerg than any other race.

Just looking at it from a game design standpoint it doesn't make any sense why it should be this difficult for zerg and only zerg. I'm sure all it is, is that blizzard has some tricks up their sleeve in HOTS to hopefully help zerg deal with it, but as it is and im sure a lot of zergs will agree, close positions are overly stressful and punishing to zerg.

Yes it's possible to deal with it, yes it's possible to play around it, but really zerg is undeniably the most dependant on the map out of all three races. So i agree with most of what idra said.
"To dream of because become happiness "
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
January 24 2011 21:37 GMT
#534
On January 23 2011 16:01 IdrA wrote:
you were saying?


So glad you are still willing to call things what they are now that terran has had a few *minor* nerfs and most people want to pretend like it is balanced.

<3
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 21:42:10
January 24 2011 21:39 GMT
#535
On January 25 2011 06:33 Malminos wrote:
I dunno, i see a lot of naysayers claiming Idra to be a QQer, etc. Anyone who'se played zerg for an extended period of time knows the issue with maps he's talking about. Being in close positions or being forced to expand toward a terran or toss is the most difficult for zerg than any other race.

Just looking at it from a game design standpoint it doesn't make any sense why it should be this difficult for zerg and only zerg. I'm sure all it is, is that blizzard has some tricks up their sleeve in HOTS to hopefully help zerg deal with it, but as it is and im sure a lot of zergs will agree, close positions are overly stressful and punishing to zerg.

Yes it's possible to deal with it, yes it's possible to play around it, but really zerg is undeniably the most dependant on the map out of all three races. So i agree with most of what idra said.


Yeah pretty much this, it is a shitty situation but the fact is we are not currently playing with the complete SC2 unit set.

I really don't see the maps as the main problem though, the real problem is how weak/nonviable zerg early/mid game aggression is and short maps only make that more apparent but the maps are not the core problem.
http://shroomspiration.blogspot.com/
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
January 24 2011 21:49 GMT
#536
On January 25 2011 03:21 L0thar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 22:12 PartyBiscuit wrote:
I think he meant that if he had started out as T, he would've been much more successful (which I'd agree to some extent)


You know Idra actually started as terran in beta and then changed to zerg?


I don't believe he did? He started off as protoss in beta then changed to zerg, I don't believe he ever actually tried playing Terran regularly.
Polishcheese
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada34 Posts
January 24 2011 22:20 GMT
#537
See how Nestea lost vs MVP and had DECENT(until JB) maps
and how idrA only had bad maps?
blizz needs to adress the maps.
The game is quite balanced for the most part
the maps are not
Also scouting for zerg needs to be improved slightly as Idra stated on gosucoaching:coaches corner
Cheese
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 23:29:41
January 24 2011 23:28 GMT
#538
On January 25 2011 07:20 Polishcheese wrote:
See how Nestea lost vs MVP and had DECENT(until JB) maps
and how idrA only had bad maps?
blizz needs to adress the maps.
The game is quite balanced for the most part
the maps are not
Also scouting for zerg needs to be improved slightly as Idra stated on gosucoaching:coaches corner


Imo Nestea just handled that situation poorly on Shakuras. I agree those positions are slightly imba for T, but Nestea literally had SO MUCH more shit he could have just counter attacked the natural of MVP's 2 base vs Nestea's 4base and rolled him. Actually slowpushing up that ramp into the main would have taken forever, and he should have been smarter and simply placed his tech structures further from the ramp, I think.

Felt like his game to lose to me.

I agree though, more than anything it's the maps rather than the race that's imbalanced atm. I'm not denying that the maps were huge.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 25 2011 00:12 GMT
#539
idra would not win a GSL as Terran. The BW-players that switched over that were better than him are still better and Terran wouldn't change anything. He is just not a better player than MVP, MKP and MC.
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
January 25 2011 00:48 GMT
#540
On January 25 2011 09:12 supersoft wrote:
idra would not win a GSL as Terran. The BW-players that switched over that were better than him are still better and Terran wouldn't change anything. He is just not a better player than MVP, MKP and MC.


Terran just doesn't suit Idra's style so yes he probably wouldn't win the gsl playing terran.
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