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On January 22 2011 09:41 MrSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 09:10 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:50 Lefnui wrote:On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:On January 22 2011 07:45 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:33 crms wrote:
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I see him as more of a realist. He goes a bit overboard sometimes but generally he is pretty spot on. This is what I love about IdrA and why I'll be a fan of his, he always tells it like it is. it's ridiculously pessimistic to leave games(especially in a tournament) when you still have a chance of winning. he even admits in the interview that it's still possible for him to win. IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal. Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know  I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it. I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great. Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes. A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign. It's all percentages and math though. If statistically, a player who got bunker blocked can come back the same percentage of the time as a player down 0-40 to Federer in a game, in the end of the day, the efforts of the disadvantaged players in both cases can be considered fairly similar as they have a statistically similar chance of a come back. That's my point. If using your basketball example, just make the gap in points big enough that would be similar statistically to a blocked bunker ramp and the same principle applies. In most other sports, you see athletes fighting to the death. They often will lose, but every once in a while you have an EPIC comeback. That's my point. I love those comebacks. So I love the fight. It's been beaten to death tho so I'll stop. Klogon is totally right, I play zerg, I love Idra's playstyle and I understand his feelings, but its too easy for him to always complain. Look at Fruitdealer in Season 1 against NexLiveForever. Cool lost his hatch, and then lost several drone due to invisible banshees, he didn't give up, and had an epic victory(the most epic victory I ever seen). Ok it was fruitdealer, ok it was not close position, and its very painful to try something that will propably never work but the fact is : at least Idra, TRY TO DO SOMETHING. Even if banelings or roach all-in will not work, just do it! Because sometimes it works, its just a game and Jinro can do mistakes(like cancelling a marine instead of a barracks). Bah I'm sure Idra will do well next season as always, he is the Gracken!!
That game is not comparable to being contained by two bunkers.
Let's be clear: When you are contained by two bunkers the game is over. You have already lost. Put close spawn meta on top of it and it's almost silly to stay.
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When The new maps come out next season or the next season it is going to be awesome! gl to IdrA and I cant wait for him to win a GSL!
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On January 22 2011 10:00 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 09:41 MrSpider wrote:On January 22 2011 09:10 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:50 Lefnui wrote:On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:On January 22 2011 07:45 travis wrote:
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it's ridiculously pessimistic to leave games(especially in a tournament) when you still have a chance of winning. he even admits in the interview that it's still possible for him to win. IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal. Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it. I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great. Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes. A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign. It's all percentages and math though. If statistically, a player who got bunker blocked can come back the same percentage of the time as a player down 0-40 to Federer in a game, in the end of the day, the efforts of the disadvantaged players in both cases can be considered fairly similar as they have a statistically similar chance of a come back. That's my point. If using your basketball example, just make the gap in points big enough that would be similar statistically to a blocked bunker ramp and the same principle applies. In most other sports, you see athletes fighting to the death. They often will lose, but every once in a while you have an EPIC comeback. That's my point. I love those comebacks. So I love the fight. It's been beaten to death tho so I'll stop. Klogon is totally right, I play zerg, I love Idra's playstyle and I understand his feelings, but its too easy for him to always complain. Look at Fruitdealer in Season 1 against NexLiveForever. Cool lost his hatch, and then lost several drone due to invisible banshees, he didn't give up, and had an epic victory(the most epic victory I ever seen). Ok it was fruitdealer, ok it was not close position, and its very painful to try something that will propably never work but the fact is : at least Idra, TRY TO DO SOMETHING. Even if banelings or roach all-in will not work, just do it! Because sometimes it works, its just a game and Jinro can do mistakes(like cancelling a marine instead of a barracks). Bah I'm sure Idra will do well next season as always, he is the Gracken!! That game is not comparable to being contained by two bunkers. Let's be clear: When you are contained by two bunkers the game is over. You have already lost. Put close spawn meta on top of it and it's almost silly to stay.
Not to mention Jinro is a far better player than NEXLiveForever.
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I'm really surprised that IdrA is going to VOD his stream. I think its awesome and I appreciate him for doing it, but he should probably delete his VODs or privatize them once the GSL rolls around. Then again I guess IdrA doesn't do anything super special in his games so maybe it won't hurt him, but less info for his opponents is always better IMO.
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I know it's probably true what he says but I still can't take it serious because he always says he is so determined to win tournaments and yet still sticks to Zerg. There is no rational explanation why he would stick to Zerg for four GSLs if he was actually sure it would be way easier for him to win the 80.000 $ dollars each month with playing one of the other two races.
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On January 22 2011 10:12 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 10:00 Lefnui wrote:On January 22 2011 09:41 MrSpider wrote:On January 22 2011 09:10 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:50 Lefnui wrote:On January 22 2011 08:35 Klogon wrote:On January 22 2011 08:23 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 08:22 1Eris1 wrote:On January 22 2011 08:06 travis wrote:On January 22 2011 07:50 ratMortar wrote:
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IdrA made it very clear that he had no chance of winning his game on Metal.
Thanks Artosis, you always provide great interviews. ok i listened again and he kind of does say that, though he is really vague about it... ("blah blah its possible to come back if ur macro is good enough blah blah.. but jinro is too solid") i'll just say that if that's what he thinks, then he's wrong. you can get lucky, and your opponent can do stupid shit or make huge mistakes. sure, it's extremely unlikely. but what does that matter? unlikely things happen all the time. he says it wasn't worth it to play it out like he's actually losing something substantial by playing it out. I think idra knows that it's still possible he could win, just incredibly unlikely. And so he doesn't bother, which is why I call him pessimistic. TBH Im sure he knows there is like a .001% chance Jinro might mess up, but I think he just left so he wouldn't get caught up in the game and could focus. If he had stuck around he would have just gotten rolled and it probably would have thrown him off for the next game. I suppose that could be true. I haven't really been in that situation so I wouldn't know I am a fan of being a fighter and playing it out. I would like to compare it to basketball where in the play offs you have a series of 7 games played in a very short period of time. Even if you are down by 6 points with very little time on the clock, you'll still call those time outs and foul the opposing team if there is a SLIGHT chance you can win. Sure it'll drag out the game and sure you might feel less rested in the next game, but the small chance of a miracle is worth it. I think that's a very poor comparison. Firstly, in basketball you can't resign. So your only other option would be to just stand there, which would of course be ridiculous. The only time that approach is accepted in basketball is when it's absolutely clear that there isn't enough time or the point differential is too great. Unlike in Starcraft, basketball starts over with every play. Whatever happened in the past plays makes absolutely no difference(except for the score of course). But in Starcraft the advantages roll over so if you get that far behind you might as well just resign. It's known for it's 'slippery slope' effect. Basketball is the very opposite, you can get back into the game so quickly with a few good stops and series of makes. A much better comparison would be to chess. In chess if two GMs are playing and one drops a pawn in the opening with no compensation you can be almost guaranteed that he will resign. It's all percentages and math though. If statistically, a player who got bunker blocked can come back the same percentage of the time as a player down 0-40 to Federer in a game, in the end of the day, the efforts of the disadvantaged players in both cases can be considered fairly similar as they have a statistically similar chance of a come back. That's my point. If using your basketball example, just make the gap in points big enough that would be similar statistically to a blocked bunker ramp and the same principle applies. In most other sports, you see athletes fighting to the death. They often will lose, but every once in a while you have an EPIC comeback. That's my point. I love those comebacks. So I love the fight. It's been beaten to death tho so I'll stop. Klogon is totally right, I play zerg, I love Idra's playstyle and I understand his feelings, but its too easy for him to always complain. Look at Fruitdealer in Season 1 against NexLiveForever. Cool lost his hatch, and then lost several drone due to invisible banshees, he didn't give up, and had an epic victory(the most epic victory I ever seen). Ok it was fruitdealer, ok it was not close position, and its very painful to try something that will propably never work but the fact is : at least Idra, TRY TO DO SOMETHING. Even if banelings or roach all-in will not work, just do it! Because sometimes it works, its just a game and Jinro can do mistakes(like cancelling a marine instead of a barracks). Bah I'm sure Idra will do well next season as always, he is the Gracken!! That game is not comparable to being contained by two bunkers. Let's be clear: When you are contained by two bunkers the game is over. You have already lost. Put close spawn meta on top of it and it's almost silly to stay. Not to mention Jinro is a far better player than NEXLiveForever.
So idra will never do epic comebacks, guys. Two bunker is not worst than having a hatch destroyed (300 hundreds mineral) and at least 8 or ten drones killed (500 hundred mineral).
But the fact is you don't understand what we are trying to say or maybe you prefer saying that Zerg cant win.
Even if its difficult, and even the game is almost lost, you can do something.
When I saw jinro winning to a 6 pool with an all in drones WITHOUT scouting it and finishing a wall(which in 90% of the time zerg win), its an example of a guy who don't give up so fast, and try something..
Jinro, FruitDealer(against NexLiveForever), MarineKing(against Nada) seize the opportunity, Idra don't, that's my point.
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Again with the "zerg is so bad qq" talk... I have no problem with IdrA and respect that he's a good player, it's just it's irritating that it always devolves to zerg being bad...
"No zerg deserves to be in top 4 right now."
I'm pessimistic and I'm not that negative.
Fix that up and IdrA would be one of my favorites 
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Idra is really one of my favorite players.
People see him as arrogant, which he is a little, but basically he is just blatantly honest while being unemotional which makes him look superarrogant. I think he is actually quite selfaware and often realizes he is worse then an opponent or has to get lucky etc.
I do think he overexagerates the whole Z balance issue. Yes it's tough for zerg but next GSL is also likely going to see a change to the map pool which might have a huge effect, take away the small maps and Z can easily become the best race if the new maps are really big. I do agree about his PvZ assesment though that P is basically favored when they start to learn how to abuse air as well.
It will be funny if nestea does put up a fight vs MVP though. MVP is great and on a roll lately but he can also get completely off his game and destroyed if things go wrong I think, ala his matchup vs choya in gsl 3. I wouldn't be surprised if nestea gets momentum after a close game and closes it out afterwards.
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Always love Idra man XD awesome Interview and looking forward to his stuff ^^
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Idra's best interview ever. -- I bet that's what he's like off camera most of the time.
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I really don't see the evidence for "Zerg is Underpowered" at the moment (at least not against T), at least not from the GSL results. Granted, I'm not a pro gamer nor am I an SC2 commentator/analyst but from the statistics....GSL has never been won by a T, despite T having the most representation. Furthermore, GSL 3 has been the ONLY tournament where T has posted an above 50% win rate against Z. Even now in GSL 4, T has a sub 50% win rate against Z (pending MVP vs Nestea). PvZ seems pretty broken right now but P has arguably had a much rougher time overall than Z throughout the GSLs. Just wondering what people make of this.
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I wish there was some Terran setting up a proper show and going through tactics aswell. Now a days its only Z shows and the ocassional P show. Big kudos to pokebunny for always streamin and tryin tho. 
Edit. Forgot to say thanks for the great interview. Thanks
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Great interview as always!
The Gracken in his Gracket. <3's Artosis.
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excellent interview! I'm always impressed with how candid IdrA is. A lot of people seem to think he's biased but I've always felt like he's just extremely honest.
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Why does it cut off at the end? D:
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On January 22 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
excellent interview! I'm always impressed with how candid IdrA is. A lot of people seem to think he's biased but I've always felt like he's just extremely honest.
Agreed, Idra gets on my nerves at times but his interviews are always top notch...though you can be biased but honest at the same time. He's very outspoken and frank in his views about balance and while he's being entirely truthful about what he thinks the state of balance is, whether or not what he thinks is entirely accurate or unbiased is a different question. Which is perfectly understandable.
edit: typo
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For some funny reasons, I hate Idra. I felt he was overrated and being hyped too much. On the other hand, he is a great SC2 and BW player. Maybe because of his personality that I don't like him.
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