EPTIdrA on why he left so fast vs Jinro and more! - Page 20
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KissKiss
United Kingdom136 Posts
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OmegaSyrus
Canada46 Posts
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TheSurgeonTV
United States131 Posts
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
I'm really looking forward to your new stream and lessons! <3 | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On January 22 2011 13:01 Integra wrote: It's funny how Zerg still sucks lol. I really don't think Zerg sucks at all. =/ A bit of a stupid thing to say. But a good video (: Was good to see. | ||
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shire
United States405 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
I appreciate him trying to create more content for SC2 fans, if only he wasn't so painfully biased. | ||
palookieblue
Australia326 Posts
On January 22 2011 10:00 Lefnui wrote: That game is not comparable to being contained by two bunkers. Let's be clear: When you are contained by two bunkers the game is over. You have already lost. Put close spawn meta on top of it and it's almost silly to stay. Sweet, if I ever encounter you on ladder I'll know how to swindle you for some free wins. If everyone played perfectly then any advantage gained during the course of a game will be 100% converted into a win. Better players than IdrA would have continued, have continued, and in some circumstances, have won. Overall, great interview. Thanks IdrA and Artosis. I will just say this: IdrA's attitude, whether it is genuine or not, absolves him of people's expectations. It's actually pretty sneaky. If he loses, there is no big surprise because 'omg Zerg is UP' and 'IMBA T/MAPS'. And if he wins, he's lauded for overcoming these 'inherent' disadvantages, and playing SUPERIOR to his opponents. Smart guy. Also, when IdrA commented regarding the roach patch, saying that he wouldn't lose to Terran for a month... doesn't anyone find this to be a weird statement? Terran players can evolve... but IdrA and zergs can't? Puh-leese. | ||
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TetriX101
Canada51 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On January 22 2011 11:59 riyanme wrote: NO ZERG SHOULDN'T BE WINNING!!! Just watched his interviews. He is nuts. Maybe he got roasted thats why he wants to pull IMNESTEA down. Really annoying. I respect his opinion but I don't like it. He's saying that Zerg is vastly underpowered, and that nestea wouldn't have gotten this far, had he faced decent opponents. IE nestea doesn't deserve being where he is, as he hasn't proved anything. He has a point in that. I also belive that if he hadn't gone all in on jungle basin, just 6 pooled and kept his drones, he might have won the game. He woulda gotten lots of SCV kills, and been able to pump in more lings. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 22 2011 11:41 tripper688 wrote: It's easy to say X is not UP, Y is OP or anything else but in the GSL, the statistics are not backing up all those claims. I'm not saying any race is truly OP or UP, I'm just trying to figure out how a race that is overpowered is consistently losing over 50% of the games when looking at all the maps. I understand that map imbalances influence the results of games but maps favoring T should result in a higher T win rate, not a lower one. Statistics are irrelevant for judging the current state of the game. You can really only do qualitative analysis and skill/experience is required for that. The game has played across several different patches with different map pools and many meta game switches. He's saying that in the most recent versions of all of these, ZvT is a bad matchup for Z. What FD did in S1 has absolutely zero bearing on that. And it's not something that can necessarily be seen across the board. The win % of Code A players isn't necessarily going to help you see how Ts at or near MVP's caliber can roll over Zs atm. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 22 2011 14:08 Saechiis wrote: Great, Idra aiming to start a new era of Zerg QQ. I'd like his new humble attitude if only it didn't stem from his view of Zerg as being vastly underpowered. At some point you'd expect him to just switch to Toss or Terran and own everyone, but somehow if feel that's never going to happen. I appreciate him trying to create more content for SC2 fans, if only he wasn't so painfully biased. you realize ive just spent like 10 months playing zerg? i have very little experience with tvt/pvp/tvp and zerg's mechanics are relatively unique compared to the other races. even if im right and t/p are easier and stronger than zerg it would still take a long time to get to the level of my zerg with either of them. and if i dont have immediate success i catch a bunch of shit for it, and eventually blizzard will have to address the balance issues and then i feel like an idiot, because i do prefer to play zerg. this is why almost no competitive players have switched races. however the fact that just about every high level zerg player has considered switching, if not publicly announced they intend to, kind of says something. how many t's and p's do you see saying theyre gonna switch? i can only remember genius. whereas with zerg dimaga, machine, sheth, myself, ret, haypro, fd, check, and possibly other korean z's have all either practiced other races seriously or announced that we want to/intend to switch. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
As for Idra's roach statement... didn't that turn out to be correct? He went to MLG DC and rolfstomped his way through the bracket. He lost in the GSL to Zenio, in ZvZ. It turned out to be right. Then the 2rax all-ins became common. And as for what Idra is talking about: he's talking about at the very top-end of skill. Among the maybe 30 players in the world at that level, he's saying that you shouldn't win ZvT, and soon ZvP due to new air builds people will figure out. And, he's pretty much right. MVP will destroy Nestea, and everyone knows it. Or Nestea reinvents ZvT and everyone starts copying it. Kind of the way it works. And you really can't talk much about the game from GSL1 to now. As we've seen in Code S, those that made it in Season 1 really aren't doing so well right now. Game has shifted a lot. Reapers are gone for utility & roaches have 4 range now, plus lots of other changes. It's a different pro-scene now. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On January 22 2011 14:10 palookieblue wrote: Sweet, if I ever encounter you on ladder I'll know how to swindle you for some free wins. Good luck with that. If everyone played perfectly then any advantage gained during the course of a game will be 100% converted into a win. Did I claim that "everyone plays perfectly"? Please read my comments correctly. The point is that it's such a massive advantage that it will almost definitely be converted into a win. I think the source of so much confusion here is that some of you simply don't understand how big of an advantage it is. Better players than IdrA would have continued, have continued, and in some circumstances, have won. That's totally baseless and you won't have a single example to support it. I will just say this: IdrA's attitude, whether it is genuine or not, absolves him of people's expectations. It's actually pretty sneaky. If he loses, there is no big surprise because 'omg Zerg is UP' and 'IMBA T/MAPS'. And if he wins, he's lauded for overcoming these 'inherent' disadvantages, and playing SUPERIOR to his opponents. Smart guy. You speak as if all of those complaints are unjustified. Truth is that Zerg has been by far the weakest race and many imbalances have existed. And if that's his tactful approach then it hasn't worked out very well. Seeing as that at least half of the responses to him are along the lines of "Stop whining about imbalance!" | ||
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
It's NOT whining if IdrA makes a perfectly fine point (no matter how shocking/strong it may be) and then manages to back it up with the mounds of experience that he has. His train of logic is sound and I don't think saying shouting IdrA down with calls of "get better" 24/7 works any better than the eternal corporate slogan "work smarter not harder". Also, why are the air builds so good o_____O? | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On January 22 2011 14:48 Jibba wrote: Statistics are irrelevant for judging the current state of the game. You can really only do qualitative analysis and skill/experience is required for that. The game has played across several different patches with different map pools and many meta game switches. He's saying that in the most recent versions of all of these, ZvT is a bad matchup for Z. What FD did in S1 has absolutely zero bearing on that. And it's not something that can necessarily be seen across the board. The win % of Code A players isn't necessarily going to help you see how Ts at or near MVP's caliber can roll over Zs atm. That's true I haven't really taken into account the separate A and S leagues. However, I fail to see how statistics are useless in judging the current state of the game. If a MU is imbalanced, shouldn't the win rates be affected in some way shape or form? Regardless of how FD did in S1, S4 Zergs as a whole are still compiling a 50%+ win rate against T. You might say players at MVP's caliber, but is that a problem with the MU or that some players are that much better? When Bisu stormed onto the scene and turned PvZ onto it's head, did it make Protoss OP? Or was it because at the time, he was doing things no one else was able to do? If the T win rate is below 50% even with the top Ts rolling through all Z they face, might that not be a case of the top players being good? For people saying T is overrepresented in the quarters...T is the most played race. There are more T starting from ro64. If you're talking about representation, Z is fine. 8/32 to start and now 1/4 in the quarters. Maybe that was because Nestea had an easy schedule but if Jinro's marine didn't make it to the bunker, we might have 2 z 2 t in finals. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Always fun to listen to idra. | ||
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