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1-LeeteR
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
January 22 2011 10:47 GMT
#421
man idra words are strong... kinda hurts as a zerg player! hopefully after hots, zerg will have more room to develop
"i hate people who quote themselves" - me
emkro
Profile Joined October 2010
41 Posts
January 22 2011 10:53 GMT
#422
cry me a river idra, mappool isn't everything.

Oh and to all Terrans out there. All you have to do against Zerg is to build bunkers at their ramp, and that will win you the game, idra approved. No, to be honest, I think Idra really needs to change his mindset. Going into a match with the feeling that "I'm gonna loose because of this shitty map" isn't the very best way to deal with that kind of situation.
P00RKID
Profile Joined December 2009
United States424 Posts
January 22 2011 11:18 GMT
#423
The Larry King of interviews indeed. Can't wait to watch some of Idra's new stream content.
"Does your butt hurt? 'cause you fell from heaven once the cast was over?" Artosis
Puchee
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland2 Posts
January 22 2011 11:43 GMT
#424
good interview. like it
Walking in circles.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
January 22 2011 11:45 GMT
#425
Thank you Artosis! Awesome interview like always!

And thank IdrA for having a personality haha
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
marscapwn
Profile Joined December 2010
United States20 Posts
January 22 2011 11:54 GMT
#426
While I understand where all this Idra hate is coming from, I find it difficult to relate to. Maybe it's because I'm not anywhere near as good as some of the people commenting. I'm certainly not even going to pretend I'm anywhere near a pro's understanding of the game.

But if you are a top 10 zerg playing against top 10 terrans who play the game 10+ hrs a day surely you as a zerg player you are playing against terrans who are picking up on or developing and refining their strongest TvZ strats. Moreover, these are the terrans who are going to know best how to scout and counter the best ZvT strats. If all of the top zergs and top terrans are more or less equally motivated then at some point game imbalances even subtle ones will start to emerge and *may* dominate game outcomes.

This is coming dangerously close to theorycraft, so I'll stop with one my postulate--assuming the game is not perfectly balanced and maps are not perfectly balanced then the availability of more dynamic builds (for one race), more options (i.e. viable builds), and even subtle differences in unit and building timing, costs and strength will gradually become more significant than the skill difference between players. This is assuming of course that skill difference between players narrow while these imbalances remain constant. Obviously this excludes the possibility that the game is in fact quite balanced but the appropriate builds for a race have not been discovered yet (chalk it up to difference in skill between players of different races then or just luck)

In light of that I imagine it is possible for realism to be mistaken for optimism or pessimism (and vice versa). Regarding Idra, I don't think I've ever really watched his games and said to myself...there's a player that I can no longer learn from and I can point out a huge number of instances where I would have done something different and better. That to me is the most important criteria for deciding if a player is worth watching.

Idra's complaints or confidence might affect how much you enjoy his interviews, but they don't detract so much from the game. It's not like his queens are sulking or his banelings are walking around with swagger.

@artosis - Great interview. Next time throw in a random question at him like "James Dean or the Fonze?"
Dezire
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands640 Posts
January 22 2011 12:10 GMT
#427
idra is pretty amazing when analyzing
BoxeR, HuK, IdrA, Minigun, MVP <3
neocron
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom505 Posts
January 22 2011 12:12 GMT
#428


Btw. cant wait for the stream!
zanmat0
Profile Joined December 2010
188 Posts
January 22 2011 12:22 GMT
#429
On January 22 2011 03:11 Healingproof wrote:
Hahaha i love you Artosis. IdrA is so biased it's not even funny lol.

On January 22 2011 03:11 Healingproof wrote:
IdrA is so biased it's not even funny lol.

On January 22 2011 03:11 Healingproof wrote:
it's not even funny lol.

On January 22 2011 03:11 Healingproof wrote:
not ... funny lol.


...
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
January 22 2011 12:45 GMT
#430
IdrA's QQing belies the statistics.
ELO top 20 more z than p
Korean ladder top 20 more z than p
GSL's like this one z makes it further than p and they won 2, p one

Terran pretty much dominates every stat but GSL wins for some reason but that will change this season and I think it's fair to say they are most powerful but the difference between p and z is nominal, both weaker but both with some success as well.
MC for president
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
January 22 2011 12:47 GMT
#431
Thanks artosis for the interview and thanks idra for taking the time!
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
January 22 2011 13:00 GMT
#432
On January 22 2011 15:08 Lefnui wrote:
On January 22 2011 14:10 palookieblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Better players than IdrA would have continued, have continued, and in some circumstances, have won.


That's totally baseless and you won't have a single example to support it.
See when you talk like this it gives the impression that you've seen every high-level zerg game.
Well, you haven't.
Fruitdealer vs Boxer @ Blizzcon Showmatch last year, Game 2. Boxer gets two bunkers up, even forces the natural to cancel. If IdrA was playing he would have presumably GG'd @ 2 minutes 40 seconds real time into the game.
I'm sure if I took the time to look harder I'd find more examples.

I'm not saying that IdrA should play differently, it's none of my business. But to say that a position like that is 100% lost (which he didn't claim, you did) is just plain wrong.
oyoyo
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
January 22 2011 13:21 GMT
#433
On January 22 2011 22:00 palookieblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 15:08 Lefnui wrote:
On January 22 2011 14:10 palookieblue wrote:
Better players than IdrA would have continued, have continued, and in some circumstances, have won.


That's totally baseless and you won't have a single example to support it.
See when you talk like this it gives the impression that you've seen every high-level zerg game.
Well, you haven't.
Fruitdealer vs Boxer @ Blizzcon Showmatch last year, Game 2. Boxer gets two bunkers up, even forces the natural to cancel. If IdrA was playing he would have presumably GG'd @ 2 minutes 40 seconds real time into the game.
I'm sure if I took the time to look harder I'd find more examples.

I'm not saying that IdrA should play differently, it's none of my business. But to say that a position like that is 100% lost (which he didn't claim, you did) is just plain wrong.

Tiny difference (not sure if IdrA would have changed either way) IdrA's last drone outside the base was killed, a reason FD went on to continue is he expanded to the gold with the drone from the cancelled hatch which he ninja'd out of BoxeR's way.
the farm ends here
MousecL1ck1
Profile Joined January 2011
187 Posts
January 22 2011 13:30 GMT
#434
Sweet interview, thanks.
Counting clouds just floating by ~
dynamics`
Profile Joined August 2010
17 Posts
January 22 2011 14:09 GMT
#435
Two zergs won GSL. Two of them. This means zerg is exactly twice as strong as protoss and infinitely stronger than Terran. This is fact.
eazo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States530 Posts
January 22 2011 14:22 GMT
#436
The Grackin and his Gracket! Thanks for the Interview Artosis, enjoyed it!
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
January 22 2011 14:41 GMT
#437
LEATHER GRACKET!!!

Also vacuum cleaner miday through interview <333
avidity
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom23 Posts
January 22 2011 14:51 GMT
#438
awesome interview, thanks to IdrA and Artosis.
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
January 22 2011 15:17 GMT
#439
Thank you Artosis! Idra's reasoning behind a lot of what he says seems really good, I feel I'm taking his opinions a bit more seriously
really?
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
January 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#440
On January 22 2011 19:53 emkro wrote:
cry me a river idra, mappool isn't everything.

Oh and to all Terrans out there. All you have to do against Zerg is to build bunkers at their ramp, and that will win you the game, idra approved. No, to be honest, I think Idra really needs to change his mindset. Going into a match with the feeling that "I'm gonna loose because of this shitty map" isn't the very best way to deal with that kind of situation.


what if its true

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