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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
January 05 2009 18:04 GMT
#281
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
January 05 2009 18:23 GMT
#282
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
January 05 2009 18:25 GMT
#283
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


do you guys just ignore the whole discussion and add stupid comments like this?
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 18:34:32
January 05 2009 18:33 GMT
#284
There's also a difference between easiest race to play in general vs easiest race to play for an individual. I would think most progamers are playing whatever race is easiest for them, personally. Really, anyone who cares about results should be using whichever race maximizes their individual potential for success.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 05 2009 18:34 GMT
#285
On January 06 2009 03:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


do you guys just ignore the whole discussion and add stupid comments like this?
Yeah seriously, I love how there's a 15 page thread and then people comment in it obviously showing they haven't read a thing.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 05 2009 18:38 GMT
#286
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 18:42:39
January 05 2009 18:39 GMT
#287
Jesus, it's already been decided.


Protoss is easier at lower levels.
Protoss is NOT EASIEST at higher levels.


At higher levels it is about the player / maps / BO's more than actual race dynamics.

Every year the players change. Some get better, some get worse. Some practice more. Some practice less.

Maps change every season. Maps have a HUGE HUGE thing to do with balancing the matchups.

BO's have changed DRAMATICALLY over the years. The 3 hatch muta -> 3 gas defiler build was never the norm for zerg players. Nor was the Bisu build the norm. But as certain BO's became more efficient / effective, the game has been forced to change with it.



Nobody cares about lower level starcraft players.
We decide our own destiny
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 18:50:00
January 05 2009 18:49 GMT
#288
On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 22:19 MyLostTemple wrote:
lots of retards on this thread.

p is only easy at low levels. all races are REALLY hard at high level play. just because some of you retards currently see p dominating (for the 1st time in 11 years) doesn't mean it's suddenly an easy race at high level play.


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.




Fyi terran, tanks ftw.
Taek Bang
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 05 2009 18:54 GMT
#289
On January 06 2009 03:49 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On January 05 2009 22:19 MyLostTemple wrote:
lots of retards on this thread.

p is only easy at low levels. all races are REALLY hard at high level play. just because some of you retards currently see p dominating (for the 1st time in 11 years) doesn't mean it's suddenly an easy race at high level play.


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.




Fyi terran, tanks ftw.


I heard someone quote stork saying he tried new protoss strategies on old maps and the maps seemed balanced and fine..

And also people don't mean the progamer level nearly as much as lower levels in this thread, yet everything you said is about pros lol..
sAviOr...
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 19:13:23
January 05 2009 19:05 GMT
#290
On January 06 2009 03:54 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2009 03:49 gk_ender wrote:
On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On January 05 2009 22:19 MyLostTemple wrote:
lots of retards on this thread.

p is only easy at low levels. all races are REALLY hard at high level play. just because some of you retards currently see p dominating (for the 1st time in 11 years) doesn't mean it's suddenly an easy race at high level play.


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.




Fyi terran, tanks ftw.


I heard someone quote stork saying he tried new protoss strategies on old maps and the maps seemed balanced and fine..

And also people don't mean the progamer level nearly as much as lower levels in this thread, yet everything you said is about pros lol..


I quoted who i was replying and what i was replying
Honestly if u guys can't see that the sudden influx on foreigner protoss is a direct corelation to the pro scene than i just don't know what to say. Yes the new build makes protoss hard to beat, just like the new builds made blank hard to beat (btw that build hes refering to is the fe to the 2 archon legs +1 build against zergs, not terran). Foreign kids copy the pros as much as possible, and so the trends at the top are reflected at the bottom. If jaedong, calm, luxury, and zero are having trouble dealing with a new toss build, then how the hell do u expect low level guys to be able to handle it. It's not an ambiguous build, its analyzed and posted everywhere, and so its vastly available. As soon as they come up with a way to stop it, low levels will see more successful zergs again. Honestly the low level toss (including myself) ive seen are disasters, u claim 1a2a3a4a, but id love u guys to try that against tanks or lurks. Psi storms are miserable, reaver drops inefective. Dt's ill give to you, but as soon as theyre visible, its over. Protoss I think are no easier than any other race.
Was that on topic enough?
Taek Bang
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 05 2009 21:16 GMT
#291
I wasn't trying to say what you said was wrong. Alot of it is right and a good opinion .

Also there's always been more foreigner protoss, i don't think many people have said directly "more protosses are on iccup now because of zeal/archon push", if anything the last revolution for influxes of protoss was bisu 3-0ing savior.
sAviOr...
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 21:28:45
January 05 2009 21:22 GMT
#292
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Protoss late game micro against terran is to split up your army and wait then 1a2a3a4a5a in to attack. Recently I have been doing some PvT as well. Funny thing is that when I have been struggeling with my TvP I got amazed how easy it is for Protoss in the same match up, everything is easier, macro, micro, multitasking plus that you got so many ways to get easy wins.

Tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff? Oh wow, I don't even know where to start, I advice you to play TvZ and you might understand how it is.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 05 2009 21:29 GMT
#293
On January 06 2009 06:22 NotSupporting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Protoss late game micro against terran is to split up your army and wait then 1a2a3a4a5a in to attack. Recently I have been doing some PvT as well. Funny thing is that when I have been struggeling with my TvP I got amazed how easy it is for Protoss in the same match up, everything is easier, macro, micro, multitasking plus that you got so many ways to get easy wins.

Tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff? Oh wow, I don't even know where to start, I advice you to play TvZ and you might understand how it is.

Play TvP for about a week and then reread your statement
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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
January 05 2009 21:31 GMT
#294
On January 06 2009 06:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2009 06:22 NotSupporting wrote:
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Protoss late game micro against terran is to split up your army and wait then 1a2a3a4a5a in to attack. Recently I have been doing some PvT as well. Funny thing is that when I have been struggeling with my TvP I got amazed how easy it is for Protoss in the same match up, everything is easier, macro, micro, multitasking plus that you got so many ways to get easy wins.

Tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff? Oh wow, I don't even know where to start, I advice you to play TvZ and you might understand how it is.

Play TvP for about a week and then reread your statement


Whats your point? I have been playing TvP for a year -_-

My point was that TvP is a lot easier than PvT, don't know if you miss understood or something
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
January 05 2009 21:45 GMT
#295
This shit is dumb.
Yes, protoss is the race which is easiest to learn.
The problem is everybody learns a lot & fast in times of iccup where we can play Korean Pro's too.
Fact: Once you're over B- / B level improving will slow down rapidly, no matter the race you play.
You need to work very very hard to improve your timings etc no matter which race you play.
Because there's always people that are a lot better than you are, always, no fucking matter how good you are.
There's even people that are better than Bisu, Jaedong or Flash at one opportunity or the other.
Point is: there is no need to cry about "Protoss being easy" when you aren't even somewhat close to level the best players of your race are playing at.
Btw: Just because some P's are at the top of progaming right now it does not mean that P > all.
In fact there's very little games where you see a Zerg playing a really really smart straight up ZvP.
Nice example: Best vs Savior, Savior totally outplayed Best to a certain degree: + Show Spoiler +
sniped his shuttle, delaying his timing, getting 6 hatch on his own -> 4 base vs 2 base. What Savior decided to do was make 20 Mutas against Best's 10 corsairs, which was literally his only force at that point. Way to throw away a won game.

And this is just one example of many games.
Look at the most popular build against protoss of the last 2-3 months? 2 hatch mutalisks? In sair only times? What are Zerg's thinking seriously.
Brain up, start using the queen in ZvP and you'll be fine. + Show Spoiler +
For everyone that doesn't know: ensnare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corsair.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
January 05 2009 21:45 GMT
#296
On January 06 2009 02:35 petzergling wrote:
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On January 05 2009 13:05 daz wrote:
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a few points that I wanna throw about this post that was clearly inspired by nerdrage

1. what the fuck is so imba about DT rush? if you dont scout it and you dont prepare for it you will die, just like if i dont scout your 2fac and dont prepare for it i will also die.

2. So wait what your saying here is dt rushing is imba so its gay, but its ok for zerg to cheese?
Even if it is that imbalanced, suck it up princess, its not nearly as imbalanced as zvp used to be for 8 years, payback is a bitch huh?

3. In 70-80 games this season and around the same last season and a few seasons ago this has yet to happen to me.

4. if you got past D+ maybe you wouldnt get cheesed so much. But you probably never will.


1. DTs are the most overpowered unit in the game, they do more damage then battlecruisers and are permanently cloaked. If I could build permanently cloaked battlecruisers instead of wraiths It would be totally overpowered. If you dont scout it (impossible because protoss just blocks ramp with 1 goon and you always scout them last on python) and you prepare for it they never actually do dts, and its much more difficult for a learning player to use proper ebay timing based off of scouting information then it is for toss to go citadel->templar archives (add robo bay if u pylon block urself or forget ur 1 dragoon). The only reason you die if you dont scout 2 fact is because ur micro is bad. Terran siege tank/mine micro is so much more unforgiving then goon micro dont even pretend like 2 facting is cheese.

2. Yeah because protoss units are imbalanced and it is impossible for zerg to win without cheese. 2 years ago I'm sure u were playing fastest so cry about imbalance more scrub

3. Happens to me all the time. Do you never see games that say 1v1 [rank] NO P, because thats exactly what it is.

4. Yeah I fuck around on iccup a shitton, and if you knew some of the builds that I do (nuke rush, battlecruiser rush, SK terran vrs protoss(lol emp), trying to win games with only manner buildings/probes, ling slowdrop, proxy hatchery, proxy barracks fake FD, vulture mine + lockdown tvp, archon only zvp, starship troopers, firebat+valkyrie+tank tvz, cloak wraith + m&m obs killing tvp, omg the list goes on) you would laugh that my win rate is so good. Honestly I'm not saying I'm good (yeah I make new accounts and D-C- bash all day, I never plan on putting the dedication in to play super competitively) If u honestly think iccup stats matter check my stats account -- petzergling597 . 1v1 faggot?


Wow. Really? What is up with all of this in TL all of a sudden? What is this?

Right now I am trying to figure out if your brain is functioning properly..........

LOL at protoss unit IMBA
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 05 2009 21:46 GMT
#297
On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
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On January 05 2009 22:19 MyLostTemple wrote:
lots of retards on this thread.

p is only easy at low levels. all races are REALLY hard at high level play. just because some of you retards currently see p dominating (for the 1st time in 11 years) doesn't mean it's suddenly an easy race at high level play.


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.

lol this makes my eyes bleed
Dalroti
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada70 Posts
January 05 2009 22:05 GMT
#298
On January 06 2009 03:49 gk_ender wrote:
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On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On January 05 2009 22:19 MyLostTemple wrote:
lots of retards on this thread.

p is only easy at low levels. all races are REALLY hard at high level play. just because some of you retards currently see p dominating (for the 1st time in 11 years) doesn't mean it's suddenly an easy race at high level play.


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.


Fyi terran, tanks ftw.


Hey this thread might seem a little silly, but I read this somewhere else and wanted to see wat Tl.net thinks. I have only been here for 2 months.

And yeah, I am talking about Starcraft as a whole. Obviously people pick their race because they feel its more natural to them.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 05 2009 22:06 GMT
#299
On January 06 2009 06:31 NotSupporting wrote:
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On January 06 2009 06:29 arb wrote:
On January 06 2009 06:22 NotSupporting wrote:
On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Protoss late game micro against terran is to split up your army and wait then 1a2a3a4a5a in to attack. Recently I have been doing some PvT as well. Funny thing is that when I have been struggeling with my TvP I got amazed how easy it is for Protoss in the same match up, everything is easier, macro, micro, multitasking plus that you got so many ways to get easy wins.

Tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff? Oh wow, I don't even know where to start, I advice you to play TvZ and you might understand how it is.

Play TvP for about a week and then reread your statement


Whats your point? I have been playing TvP for a year -_-

My point was that TvP is a lot easier than PvT, don't know if you miss understood or something

I was actually refering to jhNz i think you edited around the same time i posted sorry.
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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
January 05 2009 22:17 GMT
#300
Protoss is ez mode compared to T and Z: deny it, whine and theorycraft all you like - it's just fact.
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