Why is Protoss easy? - Page 15

On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O

On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O

On January 06 2009 03:25 infinity2k9 wrote:


do you guys just ignore the whole discussion and add stupid comments like this?

On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.

On January 06 2009 03:49 gk_ender wrote:


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.




Fyi terran, tanks ftw.

On January 06 2009 03:54 Camlito wrote:


I heard someone quote stork saying he tried new protoss strategies on old maps and the maps seemed balanced and fine..

And also people don't mean the progamer level nearly as much as lower levels in this thread, yet everything you said is about pros lol..

On January 06 2009 03:04 jhNz wrote:
somehow i think terran is the easiest race to play... turteling and taking expos behind your sieged tankline with turrets is not hard imho. tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff. but tvp is easier than pvt in my eyes o_O

On January 06 2009 06:22 NotSupporting wrote:


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Protoss late game micro against terran is to split up your army and wait then 1a2a3a4a5a in to attack. Recently I have been doing some PvT as well. Funny thing is that when I have been struggeling with my TvP I got amazed how easy it is for Protoss in the same match up, everything is easier, macro, micro, multitasking plus that you got so many ways to get easy wins.

Tvz can be a bitch with marine micro and stuff? Oh wow, I don't even know where to start, I advice you to play TvZ and you might understand how it is.

On January 06 2009 06:29 arb wrote:

Play TvP for about a week and then reread your statement

On January 06 2009 02:35 petzergling wrote:


1. DTs are the most overpowered unit in the game, they do more damage then battlecruisers and are permanently cloaked. If I could build permanently cloaked battlecruisers instead of wraiths It would be totally overpowered. If you dont scout it (impossible because protoss just blocks ramp with 1 goon and you always scout them last on python) and you prepare for it they never actually do dts, and its much more difficult for a learning player to use proper ebay timing based off of scouting information then it is for toss to go citadel->templar archives (add robo bay if u pylon block urself or forget ur 1 dragoon). The only reason you die if you dont scout 2 fact is because ur micro is bad. Terran siege tank/mine micro is so much more unforgiving then goon micro dont even pretend like 2 facting is cheese.

2. Yeah because protoss units are imbalanced and it is impossible for zerg to win without cheese. 2 years ago I'm sure u were playing fastest so cry about imbalance more scrub

3. Happens to me all the time. Do you never see games that say 1v1 [rank] NO P, because thats exactly what it is.

4. Yeah I fuck around on iccup a shitton, and if you knew some of the builds that I do (nuke rush, battlecruiser rush, SK terran vrs protoss(lol emp), trying to win games with only manner buildings/probes, ling slowdrop, proxy hatchery, proxy barracks fake FD, vulture mine + lockdown tvp, archon only zvp, starship troopers, firebat+valkyrie+tank tvz, cloak wraith + m&m obs killing tvp, omg the list goes on) you would laugh that my win rate is so good. Honestly I'm not saying I'm good (yeah I make new accounts and D-C- bash all day, I never plan on putting the dedication in to play super competitively) If u honestly think iccup stats matter check my stats account -- petzergling597 . 1v1 faggot?

On January 05 2009 22:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:


EasiER, not easy. This is a very important distinction here. Obviously high-level P playing requires lots of speed and skill which only very few players will reach AT ALL. But among these few players who DO reach this level, there are ~60-70% Protoss players. And THAT is the problem.

I'm sure most of the players complaining about P wouldn't complain about them if it was just 1 or 2 P gosus (e.g. Bisu and Stork) dominating. We're used to 1 or 2 bonjwas at a time - Boxer/Yellow, July/Oov, Savior, Bisu.
But today, it's not just one or two. It's fucking SIX of them ("the six dragons" - sounds nice, but in fact it's a huge problem for SC). And all of them are in the top 10 KeSPA. And on top foreigner level the majority is Protoss too. If you STILL argue that P is only easy at low levels, you're just really retarded or ignorant or didn't look how well all P players are doing at the moment.
Once you look at the actual race distributions you have to notice that something's definitely wrong.

But I guess P players will always say that P is only the easiest at low levels, which is just PART of the truth (the truth is that it's also the easiest on top foreign level and now *apparently* even the easiest in Korea too), after all who wants to be laughed at for playing the easiest race?

Anyway. P will continue to dominate in 2009 if it goes on like this, and this discussion will pop up again and again. Sometimes, the majority is right after all...

We'll probably need new maps which nerf Protoss, or a new balance patch (which won't happen). Or maybe no one even cares anymore about the state of SC and it'll just go on like this until SC2 is released and SC1 dies. Maybe the vast majority of SC players and fans like Protoss that they don't care.

On January 06 2009 03:49 gk_ender wrote:


Ok im tired ab hearing this 6 dragon crap. The maps are toss maps for once in the history of sc, and so yes, protoss are all over it. Im sry that there are 4 toss players to back Bisu and Stork up, and no zerg's to back jaedong up not that theyre bad just jaedong's on another level) and honestly there are 3 terrans in the top 10, and several on there way up (with no real protoss rising as hard as say leta, up magic and really.) The problem has been identified b4 is this, there are no, zergs, they are going extict (again not that they're bad it has a lot to do with third gas on maps). So instead of say zergs taking that spot, its toss. And btw again, this is the first time in 11 years that the maps have been in favor of toss, usually they've tended to be graveyards.

Also every keeps saying crap ab there usually is one dominate player, but have we really looked?
In 2001 yes boxer was on top but, there were 6 zergs in the top 10, and 1 protoss. In 2003 again january, there were no toss in the top 10. 2004 january was even.2005 5 terrans! I can really go on, and get even more specific throughout the years, but the point is dont cry ab 6 dragons seeing as this is the first time in history that it has been in protoss's favor. Was zerg the easy race, we have 3 terran bonwa's, are they the easy race.

Plz if people are argue lets look at sc in it''s entirty, not just the last (how long has it been) oh yeah 3 months. Cry me a river. Protoss has a very dificult late game set up.
But protoss has such low apm right? What ab bisu, what ab even slow stork, who both break in the 300's, and Bisu's apm is one of the highest in the pro scene.

Come on guys not only is this a silly thread, but if were gunna talk ab it, lets be logical.


Fyi terran, tanks ftw.

On January 06 2009 06:31 NotSupporting wrote:


Whats your point? I have been playing TvP for a year -_-

My point was that TvP is a lot easier than PvT, don't know if you miss understood or something