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nAi.PrOtOsS
Canada784 Posts
On January 06 2009 07:17 Hans-Titan wrote: Protoss is ez mode compared to T and Z: deny it, whine and theorycraft all you like - it's just fact. Fact based on what? | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Don't talk about Protoss, it has its strengths and weaknesses. Just see how "fair" it is when you lose two hatcheries to small two dropships in about 7 seconds before my army comes in, while its almost impossible to take down a Terran expo (you need to invest in a HUGE drop, not the cost of 1 stupid dropship) and even then, CC will just lift | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
All matchups are balanced | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Look at how long Terrans have dominated the champion scene for so long. I can name only two or three zergs whose had similiar dominance (Savior, July, Jaedong) while I can name at least 8 terrans. Protoss, maybe Anytime, Bisu, Stork, Garimto Almost all Terrans had very good TvZ while they had bad or good TvP. Shows how easy that matchup is to them i guess | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
There got a be a reason why terran has a lower winning precentage in tvp It's funny how you as a terran has same amount of expos as protoss and he has more army than u and still he has 2000+ minerals and gas roughly speaking of course, and terran barely keeps up while protoss can dance around the map taking expos as they want. All these new maps are so macro based , the editoriors wanted to see some real long games. So I think the maps are makes the mu's imba. Cuz it was alot easier in the old days. I played this game since it came out with a few breaks. Never been this hard as now. Playing on a map like python against toss as terran is 80% loss for me. While TvZ is easy. And yes I have played enough games to meet all kind of players both the good and the bad ones. Have I gone crappier? Im gonna kill the guy who said pratice makes perfect.. something is wrong | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
If your opponent beats your force while still having 2k it probably means he had thrice amount of your economy and thus has no problem with it. If I have 2k on my bank, the Terran's I'm used to face would spank my face around so bad that I'd have to ask for mercy. Terran same expo as Protoss = Protoss loses. See Blue Storm for reference, Protoss wins before 15 mins or simply doesn't at all. | ||
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koreasilver
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PokkiTeam
Sweden18 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 10 2008 12:51 Artosis wrote: sc isn't balanced. its balanced enough that if you try hard enough and practice long enough, you can always overcome any imbalance. | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
Koreasilver I would like to see you contain and secure all the expos on python. You know you have only 15 minuts to stop him from taking all the expos and that includs attackings. Artosis is right but too bad you need 10+ games/day to learn that. We all should get the chance to enjoy this game on equal condition. u gotta agree about that. Just hope it sc2 will be more balanced or atleast favouring T  | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 06 2009 08:22 iNfeRnaL wrote: Sorry Zekk but if this happens to you then you were just way worse than your opponent. If your opponent beats your force while still having 2k it probably means he had thrice amount of your economy and thus has no problem with it. If I have 2k on my bank, the Terran's I'm used to face would spank my face around so bad that I'd have to ask for mercy. Terran same expo as Protoss = Protoss loses. See Blue Storm for reference, Protoss wins before 15 mins or simply doesn't at all. only the dumbasses who went arbiter on it | ||
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F91
New Zealand77 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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petzergling
538 Posts
On January 06 2009 11:22 infinity2k9 wrote: For everyone saying about previous years protoss hasnt done well at all, well what if we are at the point when build orders are almost perfected and the metagame does not significantly evolve further? We'll see eventually if protoss really is balanced. Honestly because of the fact that proleague maps are designed and can be changed I cant really ever see an unbalanced metagame. If the meta actually becomes stagnant to the point where 1 race is consistantly ahead the map pool can be changed to balance out the imperfections | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 06 2009 10:20 ZeKk wrote: I know that Infernal But they never quit expanding. But toss always got a couple of thousands more in economy even if T has the same amount of expos or is sligthly behind. which is wierd imo. If both plays fe t get's behind in eco. It happens in pro games too, only they can beat it due to thier superior skill. Koreasilver I would like to see you contain and secure all the expos on python. You know you have only 15 minuts to stop him from taking all the expos and that includs attackings. Artosis is right but too bad you need 10+ games/day to learn that. We all should get the chance to enjoy this game on equal condition. u gotta agree about that. Just hope it sc2 will be more balanced or atleast favouring T ![[image loading]](http://www.frools.net/lolz/sisko-facepalm.jpg) | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
On January 06 2009 10:20 ZeKk wrote: I know that Infernal But they never quit expanding. But toss always got a couple of thousands more in economy even if T has the same amount of expos or is sligthly behind. which is wierd imo. If both plays fe t get's behind in eco. It happens in pro games too, only they can beat it due to thier superior skill. Koreasilver I would like to see you contain and secure all the expos on python. You know you have only 15 minuts to stop him from taking all the expos and that includs attackings. Artosis is right but too bad you need 10+ games/day to learn that. We all should get the chance to enjoy this game on equal condition. u gotta agree about that. Just hope it sc2 will be more balanced or atleast favouring T Sigh. That's why you lay mines around and intercept probes, harass, do drop harass. The reason why the protoss' that you fight always out expand you, its either because you turtle too much and you are not moving out or you fail to scout the expansions. You may get the same expo count but at what part in the game? If he gets 3 expansions 5 mins earlier than you start, of course he would have more resouces. You didn't stop him from getting expos earlier so there's no reason to blame the imbalance on protoss when you don't do the appropriate actions to prevent him from getting the expansions as terran. You don't HAVE to secure all the expansions on python. 3 bases is enough to over-run a decent protoss.. despite him having 5 bases. EDIT: Depending also at what time he gets these expansions. | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
Out of argue so raped lol ![[image loading]](http://www.roligabilder.org/maenniskor/images/193.jpg) | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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TheTruthTeller
United States15 Posts
What most people fail to realize however is that Protoss is also the easiest race at the highest levels of gaming. The gap of relative difficulty between the 3 races might be narrower at this level but some facts remain; 1.High HP Unit, Limited Unit special-Abilities ...easier micro 2.Longer unit build time, easier macro 3.Easy expansion setup, easier macro 4.Ability to hotkey your entire army in control groups, easier micro 5.Ability to freely mix your unit composition in each group, easier micro Do you think that these 5 points do not apply at the pro-gaming level? The intensity of the game is higher, but these facts remain. The difference is that progaming Protosses are doing simple tasks at a higher speed and with better precision whereas progaming T and Z users are doing hard tasks at an insane speed with still higher precision. To say that at the highest level of Starcraft, all 3 races are equally difficult to play is simply inaccurate. Yes, the difference in relative difficulty might not be as blatant as it is at the lower levels, but Protoss remains the easiest race at all levels of play. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On January 06 2009 12:11 TheTruthTeller wrote: hum....ok . This needs to stop. We have a consensus here that Protoss is the easiest race at low levels (obviously). What most people fail to realize however is that Protoss is also the easiest race at the highest levels of gaming. The gap of relative difficulty between the 3 races might be narrower at this level but some facts remain; 1.High HP Unit, Limited Unit special-Abilities ...easier micro 2.Longer unit build time, easier macro 3.Easy expansion setup, easier macro 4.Ability to hotkey your entire army in control groups, easier micro 5.Ability to freely mix your unit composition in each group, easier micro Do you think that these 5 points do not apply at the pro-gaming level? The intensity of the game is higher, but these facts remain. The difference is that progaming Protosses are doing simple tasks at a higher speed and with better precision whereas progaming T and Z users are doing hard tasks at an insane speed with still higher precision. To say that at the highest level of Starcraft, all 3 races are equally difficult to play is simply inaccurate. Yes, the difference in relative difficulty might not be as blatant as it is at the lower levels, but Protoss remains the easiest race at all levels of play. ....SOMEBODY CLOSE THIS DAMNED THREAD ALREADY BEFORE IT GETS WORSE | ||
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