EPTObviously she didn't do anything wrong, but I know I'd be fairly impressed with her if she put her own compassion above her career and took one for the team - handing the case over to another party. But, as always, she demonstrates her nature of being completely dominated by her ambitions =P
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Flaccid
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Obviously she didn't do anything wrong, but I know I'd be fairly impressed with her if she put her own compassion above her career and took one for the team - handing the case over to another party. But, as always, she demonstrates her nature of being completely dominated by her ambitions =P | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On February 26 2008 01:17 Flaccid wrote: Is it fair to assume a person of good moral character would turn down the opportunity to defend a rapist? I mean, she didn't have to do it, did she? Obviously she didn't do anything wrong, but I know I'd be fairly impressed with her if she put her own compassion above her career and took one for the team - handing the case over to another party. But, as always, she demonstrates her nature of being completely dominated by her ambitions =P That isn't obvious at all. The prosecution had an open and shut case, so they thought. Beaten girl, blood, and semen as evidence. So Hillary takes advantage of a traumatized girl until they (or rather her mother) agree(s) to a plea bargain rather than continue going through the pain of the trial, resulting in a rapist getting a 5 year sentence for molestation. On another note, can we assume this story is fair on Hillary, and not a smear job? It is new, so I guess we'll have to see. | ||
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gwho
United States632 Posts
anyways im totally with you shmay that small gov is the way to go. i may sound like a total partisan pig for what im about to say, but here it is anyway. ill admit i am conservative, in the true sense, not a neocon who draws their philosophy from machiaveli and the likes. to be American means to have small government. the founding fathers all knew of how government tends to grow and go sour so they devised the constitution to keep the evils of usurping of power, and also i quote "the evil forces of democracy" at bay. Ronald Reagan said "no government willingly reduces it's size. In fact, government bureacracy is probably the closest thing to eternal life on this earth." Being conservative IS being american. that's what america is all about. preservation of individual freedoms. The welfare state, and strong leaders (meaning leaders with lots of power, instead of leaders "strong enough to resist the temptation of taking too much power" -RP) in the eyes of history, an old, over proven idea. if you really want to be progressive, progress to liberate humanity and protect individual freedoms. Don't regress to the powerful state idea or welfare state concept. Anyone who doesn't want small government, protection of liberties, i will say is still welcome in this republic. freedom of religion means freedom of views, acadamia and philosophy. however, if you wish to change the government to reflect that, you go against the very core and heart of American philosphy. And you have not been educated enough about the constitution by your public school. i will even go further to say that as a system, with the exception of convicted individual teachers in that horrible system, the public schools are responsible for keeping kids ignorant about it, and feed them dilutions of machiavelli, world government, and socialism. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32040 Posts
On February 26 2008 02:58 gwho wrote: percentage of gdp. nice to know. anyways im totally with you shmay that small gov is the way to go. i may sound like a total partisan pig for what im about to say, but here it is anyway. ill admit i am conservative, in the true sense, not a neocon who draws their philosophy from machiaveli and the likes. to be American means to have small government. the founding fathers all knew of how government tends to grow and go sour so they devised the constitution to keep the evils of usurping of power, and also i quote "the evil forces of democracy" at bay. Ronald Reagan said "no government willingly reduces it's size. In fact, government bureacracy is probably the closest thing to eternal life on this earth." Being conservative IS being american. that's what america is all about. preservation of individual freedoms. The welfare state, and strong leaders (meaning leaders with lots of power, instead of leaders "strong enough to resist the temptation of taking too much power" -RP) in the eyes of history, an old, over proven idea. if you really want to be progressive, progress to liberate humanity and protect individual freedoms. Don't regress to the powerful state idea or welfare state concept. Anyone who doesn't want small government, protection of liberties, i will say is still welcome in this republic. freedom of religion means freedom of views, acadamia and philosophy. however, if you wish to change the government to reflect that, you go against the very core and heart of American philosphy. And you have not been educated enough about the constitution by your public school. i will even go further to say that as a system, with the exception of convicted individual teachers in that horrible system, the public schools are responsible for keeping kids ignorant about it, and feed them dilutions of machiavelli, world government, and socialism. Did the conservatives have the protection of my liberties in mind when they passed the PATRIOT act? Holy crap, this post is ridiculous. Ill leave it to someone else to tear you up on it. | ||
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geometryb
United States1249 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 26 2008 03:26 geometryb wrote: being conservative doesn't necessarily mean you agree with everything the republican party does. it's more of a set of values, "like small government, low taxes, Christian/religious beliefs, blah blah blah" That's bullshit, being a Conservative has nothing to do with religion. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On February 26 2008 03:20 Hawk wrote: Did the conservatives have the protection of my liberties in mind when they passed the PATRIOT act? Holy crap, this post is ridiculous. Ill leave it to someone else to tear you up on it. I'll take him to task. I find your post to be extremely condescending. "Anyone who doesn't want small government, protection of liberties, i will say is still welcome in this republic. freedom of religion means freedom of views, acadamia and philosophy" Unbelievable. If you don't want small government, stick to the academia. All the teachers force feed their students fuzzy warm images of Soviet Russia and father Mao anyways, right? You quote Ronald Regean, which I take to be an indication of your politic views. Allow me to say that Regean oversaw the largest expansion of presidential authority since FDR. The "neo" in neo-con competely overrides whatever bits of real conservatism might have remained. If you're a real conservative, you join the Constitutional Party, stand against the Patriot Act and stupid morality legislation As far as your assertion goes that the founders favored small government, I say "prove it". The framers of the constitution had wildly differing viewpoints. Trying to determine the original intention of the Framers is ludicrous, since there wasn't a consistent viewpoint about goverment that led to its creation. The document is what it is, and we wouldn't be a world power if we hemmed and hawed and were afraid to do anything because we might step on the toes of 200 year dead Virginia tobacco farmers. And frankly, the only thing you get out of trying to determine the "original" intent is your projection. The founding fathers think whatever you do, and that's small government dagnab it! Well it's all bollocks. Even if there was a consistent viewpoint of the Framers, a cohesive vision of government, it holds little water in a shrinking world with nuclear weapons, the internet and globalization. The very power of the Constitution comes from its ability to change with the times. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
If Conservative ideals are so fantastic why is America in a slump at the moment while other countries continue to be strong. I'm going to use the UK as an example purely because I understand our politics. The pound has risen massively against the dollar under our "deluded" Socialist leaders the Labour party. And we've managed this with FREE health care for all, state pension, sick pay and unemployment benefits. The world is bigger than the United States and increasingly socialist governments are working fine. + Show Spoiler + I'd like to point out I don't think our Government is perfect by any means, in fact I think they're a bit shit and I voted Conservative at the last election. But our political parties are much closer than yours and the Conservative wouldn't get rid of health care if they were elected. | ||
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geometryb
United States1249 Posts
On February 26 2008 03:49 Klive5ive wrote: That's bullshit, being a Conservative has nothing to do with religion. being conservative in the US is different than being conservative where you're from. don't be so eager to point out mistakes without double checking first. just to add, the conservative base in christians is why we have issues related to stem cells, gay rights, birth control, teaching evolution, etc. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/ | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On February 26 2008 02:58 gwho wrote: percentage of gdp. nice to know. anyways im totally with you shmay that small gov is the way to go. i may sound like a total partisan pig for what im about to say, but here it is anyway. ill admit i am conservative, in the true sense, not a neocon who draws their philosophy from machiaveli and the likes. to be American means to have small government. the founding fathers all knew of how government tends to grow and go sour so they devised the constitution to keep the evils of usurping of power, and also i quote "the evil forces of democracy" at bay. Ronald Reagan said "no government willingly reduces it's size. In fact, government bureacracy is probably the closest thing to eternal life on this earth." Being conservative IS being american. that's what america is all about. preservation of individual freedoms. The welfare state, and strong leaders (meaning leaders with lots of power, instead of leaders "strong enough to resist the temptation of taking too much power" -RP) in the eyes of history, an old, over proven idea. if you really want to be progressive, progress to liberate humanity and protect individual freedoms. Don't regress to the powerful state idea or welfare state concept. Anyone who doesn't want small government, protection of liberties, i will say is still welcome in this republic. freedom of religion means freedom of views, acadamia and philosophy. however, if you wish to change the government to reflect that, you go against the very core and heart of American philosphy. And you have not been educated enough about the constitution by your public school. i will even go further to say that as a system, with the exception of convicted individual teachers in that horrible system, the public schools are responsible for keeping kids ignorant about it, and feed them dilutions of machiavelli, world government, and socialism. Question for you: is health care a basic human right? Is clean air? If yes, doesn't the government have a responsibility to ensure that its citizens enjoy these rights? If not, can you tell me what rights you feel should be protected by the government? Sorry to be brief, hopefully I can respond more fully later tonight. But I'm curious about your response to these questions. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On February 26 2008 06:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So apparently, according to the Drudge report(sp?) the Clinton campaign has leaked a photo of Obama in African/Islamic attire, if this is true how could this not backfire on them? God they piss me off so much. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/ Honestly, I smell a rat. I could see the Obama cvampaign falsely accusing in order to get some mileage out of it. If it is really from teh Clinton campaign, it's from low level volunteers like the whole muslim thing. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On February 26 2008 06:30 GeneralStan wrote: Honestly, I smell a rat. I could see the Obama cvampaign falsely accusing in order to get some mileage out of it. If it is really from teh Clinton campaign, it's from low level volunteers like the whole muslim thing. The article points out that the Clinton campaign has done similar before. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32040 Posts
On February 26 2008 06:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So apparently, according to the Drudge report(sp?) the Clinton campaign has leaked a photo of Obama in African/Islamic attire, if this is true how could this not backfire on them? God they piss me off so much. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/25/obama-camp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/ haha, my god, i fucking hate hilary more and more. WHY THE FUCK WHAT FUCKING GOD HE PRAYS TO? DIEEEEE EVERYONE | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 26 2008 05:32 geometryb wrote: being conservative in the US is different than being conservative where you're from. don't be so eager to point out mistakes without double checking first. just to add, the conservative base in christians is why we have issues related to stem cells, gay rights, birth control, teaching evolution, etc. Maybe you should actually get a clue before posting. Conservatism is merely a right-wing political philosophy that favours slow change. It tries to maintain institutionalised and long standing traditions, which some interpret to mean religion. That definitely doesn't mean you have to have Christian religious beliefs to be a Conservative. Don't be so naive, and don't defend a stupid post when you don't know what you are talking about. | ||
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geometryb
United States1249 Posts
saying someone's head is stuck up their ass doesn't make his head stuck up his ass. saying someone doesn't have a clue doesn't make him lose his clue. saying someone is naive doesn't make him naive. picking fights, name calling, and that condescending bitch attitude of yours, however, makes you a 12 year old attention-whoring, insecure, cunt bag that annoys the shit out of me. k thx, geometryb | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Sigh. Debunked here: http://blog.cameronfredman.com/2008/02/debunking-congressman-kingstons-hbo.html | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On February 26 2008 07:47 geometryb wrote: dear klive5ive, saying someone's head is stuck up their ass doesn't make his head stuck up his ass. saying someone doesn't have a clue doesn't make him lose his clue. saying someone is naive doesn't make him naive. picking fights, name calling, and that condescending bitch attitude of yours, however, makes you a 12 year old attention-whoring, insecure, cunt bag that annoys the shit out of me. k thx, geometryb Your an idiot. | ||
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