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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 28 2007 04:55 Zherak wrote: Mostly in reply to Tien:
I do think that sex can make a special relationship better, and that a special relationship can make the sex better. Separating these two will, in my opinion, detract from both. And I do not think you can have it both ways, just like I don't think you can really celebrate Christmas 365 days a year.
Whenever you reduce my view to just an opinion, you do the same to yours. I am not claiming my view is the universal view, I am just pointing out that it does exist.
And I do say that only sex with one person ever is necessarily the right thing, just like I am not saying Christmas once in a lifetime is the way to go. There has to be a balance to prevent the magic from becoming mundane, though.
And I do realize that a lot of women have a lot of sex. Of course, per definition, there has to be as many women engaging in casual sex as men. I am just pointing out that the female sexual drive is very different from the male sexual drive, even when men and women decide to have sex together. Many men in this forum seem to trivialize fucking a man for dollars, but I think it is among the most degrading things a women can do. Much like how rape is among the worst things a woman can experience.
I am living by the views I have presented, and this far I'm a happy man for it.
Furthermore, I think we can both agree that is possible for a person to do something he later comes to regret. I think prostitution does this to a lot of women, therefore I do not want to support it. Much like how I would not want my children to drop out of school.
As for my pornography habits, I find SFW-pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar more than stimulating enough. I don't think she really suffers from doing promo-shoots.
So are you beginning to see my point?
Your views and oppinions about prostitution are your views exclusively and I am not disputing that it is right or wrong.
My views and other people's views about prostitution are our views and it is almost impossible to dispute whether it is right or wrong, there are just pros and cons.
Which side of the fence you sit on doesn't matter because the fact of the matter is prostitution exists and is not something that will go away because you think it is degrading to women or what not. Instead of trying to push it away as something taboo, you anti-prostitution people need to think about ways to improve the situation i.e legalizing it so that standards can be put in place to regulate and control it.
Simply sitting around saying things like
"Prostitution is bad" "Prostitution should be abolished" "Prostitution should be illegal"
Add no value whatsoever to the discussion or the current situation with prostitution.
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No, never. And I don't think I will ever have one either.
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Seriously I just ordered one, again
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On November 28 2007 05:58 BluzMan wrote: Wtf it's illegal to have flu?
Because like young kids actually die from it at times.
You have a very strange concept of what is legal, Zherak.
It's hardly illegal to have a flu.
But to intentionally expose oneself to AIDS, Ebola, Syphilis is surely illegal. Unless you have a very good argument for why you are not going to pose a risk as a carrier. It is also illegal to not seek treatment for some diseases, Syphilis included, if you know you carry them. Furthermore, it is a serious crime to have intercourse without informing your partner(s) of your disease(s) if they are sexually transmittable. (Norwegian law, might differ somewhat from other ones, but I am fairly certain the essentials are the same.)
Much like how it's not illegal to die, but committing suicide is (surprisingly enough, though it is difficult to enforce, for obvious reasons).
Tien: Well, when it is reduced to different viewpoints, it is not evident which should be supported by the law. Guns / no guns is also pretty much a matter of opinion, but neither of the parties shut up about how the ruling should be.
I have not intended to state prostitution bad, marriage good, two legs bad, four legs good as an absolute, but I have made it clear that I myself view prostitution as an evil and will have no part in it.
Edit: Figure I should try to be clearer on this matter. There takes a bit of actual intention or major negligence for it to actually become something worth talking about.
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iNcontroL
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On November 28 2007 04:08 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 00:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I'm sorry did Freak just bitch about predictability? Because I am pretty sure he ONLY posts in threads that have to do with drugs/sex? He sometimes makes exceptions for other threads, but only if they involve fringe opinions on things that typically involve mainstream comfort levels. This would be the first one that would have to do with sex as far as I'm aware. Drugs because I'm the most knowledgeable person on the site about it and would like to attempt to educate people about responsible mindset and use. Sue me. The last few have been about economics, religions and smoking. Nice try though. You're so cute when you're being stupid. Which is incredibly often 
I was no more "stupid" than you who would presume to generalize a general opinion as "stupid." People who are uncomfortable with prostitution may actually have reasons for that. You assuming its because they are not as "open minded" or "educated" as you is fucking stupid. You probably never discussed sex, I dont hound you so I just assumed. That was "cute" or stupid of me, I am sorry.
I also think you are very important for this website because you articulate your opinion very well. It usually is an opinion that people do not necessarily agree with and I think that is valuable. But do not get pigheaded about it. Else my dumbass will be forced to goad you into needless flamewars.
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On November 28 2007 04:13 uiCk wrote: its funny how prostitution is still taboo, considering it has existed at a constant level since first cities were raised. shame on people who argue against it and cant include or accept history in their arguments. Regulation has always worked better then illigalization, and thats a fact. The fact that prostitution always existed doesnt change how morally wrong and dangerous it is. lets also legalize rape or murder according to your logic -_-
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 28 2007 08:45 TesisMech wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 04:13 uiCk wrote: its funny how prostitution is still taboo, considering it has existed at a constant level since first cities were raised. shame on people who argue against it and cant include or accept history in their arguments. Regulation has always worked better then illigalization, and thats a fact. The fact that prostitution always existed doesnt change how morally wrong and dangerous it is. lets also legalize rape according to your logic -_-
Holy shit that was the dumbest post in this entire thread.
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On November 28 2007 08:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 04:08 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:On November 28 2007 00:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I'm sorry did Freak just bitch about predictability? Because I am pretty sure he ONLY posts in threads that have to do with drugs/sex? He sometimes makes exceptions for other threads, but only if they involve fringe opinions on things that typically involve mainstream comfort levels. This would be the first one that would have to do with sex as far as I'm aware. Drugs because I'm the most knowledgeable person on the site about it and would like to attempt to educate people about responsible mindset and use. Sue me. The last few have been about economics, religions and smoking. Nice try though. You're so cute when you're being stupid. Which is incredibly often  I was no more "stupid" than you who would presume to generalize a general opinion as "stupid." People who are uncomfortable with prostitution may actually have reasons for that. You assuming its because they are not as "open minded" or "educated" as you is fucking stupid. You probably never discussed sex, I dont hound you so I just assumed. That was "cute" or stupid of me, I am sorry.
A never generalized an opinion as stupid.
I never said there was anything wrong with being uncomfortable with prostitution.
I never assumed it was because they weren't as open minded or as educated as I.
I simply said that the sheer ignorance coming from the anti side of the argument was amusingly predictable. It's pretty common during arguments where one side is often emotionally or morally driven while the other is not. They fail to think things through entirely and base things off assumptions with no grounds for why that assumption should be believed above any other. They view their emotionally and morally driven views as being constant and true which the often are not.
I never said anything about either side of the opinion being better, smarter or more correct than the other. The pro side(or more so the "I'm not really for or against it but since it exists the following things should be accepted and carried out) tends to think it's ideas and opinions out more simply because they aren't driven by an idea of right or wrong, good or bad, light or dark. That sort of approach makes that part more coherent as a whole.
The entire reason I don't join into many arguments on this website is simply because most people are basing opinions more on a very narrow view of the situation as opposed to looking at the whole picture. They simplify things which aren't really all that simple. When you try and show them that they usually simply blow you off. The conversations never really get anywhere so I don't waste my breath.
Instead I sit on a high horse with occasional one liners content in my near omnipotent knowledge of everything and swoop in to mock people for their ignorance now and again. It's a petty existence but a good one.
Anywho, goad away. We all know how easily I am lured into flame wars.
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TesisMech really shouldn't be allowed to post. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Perfect worlds are only a dream though 
The morality and danger of the profession is directly related to the society in which it functions. Hard concept to grasp, I know.
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Have I ever had a prostitute? No.
If a woman wants to do it, or feels that it is the best way for her to make money, so be it. It's her decision. Who are you (society) to tell her what she can and cannot do with her body? She is not outwardly "harming" anyone or her community and if you are a man who wishes her company on lonely nights, then it's your responsibility to choose one you feel would not be "harming" to you in the sense of STD's or whatnot. If you do not care for that and only have X amount of dollars/euros/won/whatever, then that is your choice to take what you can get or to be picky.
edit: I really hate the word 'whore'. Double standards for the lose.
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Because the term man-whore commands a greater amount of respect?
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iNcontroL
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On November 28 2007 10:11 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 08:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2007 04:08 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:On November 28 2007 00:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I'm sorry did Freak just bitch about predictability? Because I am pretty sure he ONLY posts in threads that have to do with drugs/sex? He sometimes makes exceptions for other threads, but only if they involve fringe opinions on things that typically involve mainstream comfort levels. This would be the first one that would have to do with sex as far as I'm aware. Drugs because I'm the most knowledgeable person on the site about it and would like to attempt to educate people about responsible mindset and use. Sue me. The last few have been about economics, religions and smoking. Nice try though. You're so cute when you're being stupid. Which is incredibly often  I was no more "stupid" than you who would presume to generalize a general opinion as "stupid." People who are uncomfortable with prostitution may actually have reasons for that. You assuming its because they are not as "open minded" or "educated" as you is fucking stupid. You probably never discussed sex, I dont hound you so I just assumed. That was "cute" or stupid of me, I am sorry. A never generalized an opinion as stupid. I never said there was anything wrong with being uncomfortable with prostitution. I never assumed it was because they weren't as open minded or as educated as I. I simply said that the sheer ignorance coming from the anti side of the argument was amusingly predictable. It's pretty common during arguments where one side is often emotionally or morally driven while the other is not. They fail to think things through entirely and base things off assumptions with no grounds for why that assumption should be believed above any other. They view their emotionally and morally driven views as being constant and true which the often are not. I never said anything about either side of the opinion being better, smarter or more correct than the other. The pro side(or more so the "I'm not really for or against it but since it exists the following things should be accepted and carried out) tends to think it's ideas and opinions out more simply because they aren't driven by an idea of right or wrong, good or bad, light or dark. That sort of approach makes that part more coherent as a whole. The entire reason I don't join into many arguments on this website is simply because most people are basing opinions more on a very narrow view of the situation as opposed to looking at the whole picture. They simplify things which aren't really all that simple. When you try and show them that they usually simply blow you off. The conversations never really get anywhere so I don't waste my breath. Instead I sit on a high horse with occasional one liners content in my near omnipotent knowledge of everything and swoop in to mock people for their ignorance now and again. It's a petty existence but a good one. Anywho, goad away. We all know how easily I am lured into flame wars.
Dude common. You know damn well what it infers when someone says "haha the arguement supporting the opinion in contrast to mine are so predictable and its amusing." You would shock me if you honestly didnt mean to undermine the opinion base with that comment. I mean really, who are we kidding? Perhaps its just me being cute again.. but I really dont think you are so unique that you stated what is commonly interpreted as bemeaning but actually meant nothing in the realm of how people typically read said comments.
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On November 28 2007 10:24 lilsusie wrote: Have I ever had a prostitute? No.
If a woman wants to do it, or feels that it is the best way for her to make money, so be it. It's her decision. Who are you (society) to tell her what she can and cannot do with her body? She is not outwardly "harming" anyone or her community and if you are a man who wishes her company on lonely nights, then it's your responsibility to choose one you feel would not be "harming" to you in the sense of STD's or whatnot. If you do not care for that and only have X amount of dollars/euros/won/whatever, then that is your choice to take what you can get or to be picky.
edit: I really hate the word 'whore'. Double standards for the lose.
I really despise the arguement "its my body I can do what I want." I mean sure, it is your body, hell you can do what you want. But if its fucking stupid, illogical and destructive people will advise against it and even conduct actions to prevent it. This is not some radical new concept. We will blow a dudes finger off if hes trying to shoot himself in the head. We will tackle a person who is playing with fire. The list goes on so does the varied array of examples. If a person wants to enter themselves into a (mostly) illegal market that has a tremendous increase in risk of bodily harm people will advice against it or even pass policies that prevent those people from legally engaging in said activities.
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In contrast to mine? I never stated an opinion. Assuming my opinions is rather pigheaded of you, is it not?
Both sides have merit.
The people arguing one side happen to be arguing based on morals and emotion. One can never argue based on morals and emotion for the big picture doesn't care what your morals are or how you feel about them. You must work within that structure. A refusal to do so is ignorance incarnated. I'm undermining the people, not the opinion or the view.
The display of their ignorance is pretty amusing. It usually is on this particular topic.
And you are being cute again. Incessantly calling me out with attempts to 'read between the lines'. It almost makes me giddy. Take words for as they are presented. Assumptions will get you no where.
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iNcontroL
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The "assumptions get you nowhere" cliche doesnt apply. We make assumptions on a daily basis (the "we" is all encompassing, everyone does it and yet we progress!).
I assumed your opinion because you targeted one "side" of the debate and characterized it in a belittling fashion which allows me to assume you are in disagreement with it (which you are, so what the fuck are we really debating here?).
I dunno where this "calling out" or shit is happening but I simply dont care enough to continue with you. You are being a prick. By all means, continue.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 28 2007 11:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 10:24 lilsusie wrote: Have I ever had a prostitute? No.
If a woman wants to do it, or feels that it is the best way for her to make money, so be it. It's her decision. Who are you (society) to tell her what she can and cannot do with her body? She is not outwardly "harming" anyone or her community and if you are a man who wishes her company on lonely nights, then it's your responsibility to choose one you feel would not be "harming" to you in the sense of STD's or whatnot. If you do not care for that and only have X amount of dollars/euros/won/whatever, then that is your choice to take what you can get or to be picky.
edit: I really hate the word 'whore'. Double standards for the lose. I really despise the arguement "its my body I can do what I want." I mean sure, it is your body, hell you can do what you want. But if its fucking stupid, illogical and destructive people will advise against it and even conduct actions to prevent it. This is not some radical new concept. We will blow a dudes finger off if hes trying to shoot himself in the head. We will tackle a person who is playing with fire. The list goes on so does the varied array of examples. If a person wants to enter themselves into a (mostly) illegal market that has a tremendous increase in risk of bodily harm people will advice against it or even pass policies that prevent those people from legally engaging in said activities.
Stop looking at things black and white man. It just doesn't work that way.
Following your logic of passing policies to prevent people from "hurting" themselves, you must also pass the following policies:
1) Ban alcohol (Number one cause of drunk driving and car collision). 2) Ban cigarettes 3) Ban meat 4) Ban cage fighters 5) Ban a billion other things that involve people hurting or harming their bodies.
Maybe the next time you are getting drunk off your ass someone should blind side tackle you and haul you home so you can stop harming your body.
lol
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So wtf are you guys arguing about?
You seem to be arguing about how each other is attacking each others arguments and not actually arguing about any points.
Legalising prostitution and making compulsory STD checks for women working in this field will lessen the STD's contracted from prostitutes overall.
I don't know how you can't see that.
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Because the assumptions comment has nothing to do with the sentence preceding it. Nothing at all.
I targeted one side because the other side wasn't doing anything worth pointing out besides baal being a dumb mexican. But baal is always a dumb mexican so it seemed not worth typing.
Am I in disagreement with it? Says who? I lean more to one side than the other but I could argue for or against either of them. One would be more philosophical while the other would be more as an application to the world as it exists. A concession that results in my working within the structure of the world does not dictate how I feel about a subject but merely what is reasonable. There is nothing wrong with that approach.
My morals, views and thoughts on the subject based on morality have nothing to do with it so I leave them out. That's what a philosophy discussion is for. There is a huge difference between the way I'd like things to be and the way things are. I understand that so I work with it.
Don't judge my opinion based on what you think you know about me or the intent of the things that I say. What you actually know appears to be very little. Take my words as they are and leave it at that. This is hardly the occasion to begin attempting to peer into my mind and try to decipher what I really mean. More direct modes of conversation are best suited for that sort of thing.
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Tien you are blowing my arguement to impossible proportions. Smoking a cig or drinking some booze is not comparable to licking the asshole of a whore. BUT guess what? If someone drinks TOO much and is being fucking stupid they will get in trouble... just as I said. Its "my body" but if you drink so much it becomes dangerous for others around you or you are literally self destructing people WILL stop you.
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