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On November 28 2007 17:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 15:21 baal wrote:
Hot_Bid the 10 tl.net commandments say stupidity is a bannable offence Incontrol needs atleast a warning ffs.
He said we should stop people from willingly put their bodies in danger... seriously that deserves a stupidity warning. Hot_Bid made the same argument only he chose to describe it as people eating their own flesh. Me talking about people using fire or drinking so much they are a danger to others was simply an elaboration of the same thing. Do you think Hot_Bid should be banned for being dumb? IF so please say so to him so I can watch you get banned  + Show Spoiler +OMG CHECK THE EDIT HOT_BID JESUS
If he thinks exactly the way you do then yes he is also stupid, i doubt he does tho.
Dangers to "others" ding ding ding, key word there pal, when you ride your BMX bike and brake your spine, its your problem and nobody has the right to stop you, especially not the state, when you decide to race cars and you die because u crash into a wall nobody has the right to stop you either, its your fucking life, your body.
And once again you are dodging the fact that legalization would probide a lot of health benefits so by regulating and controling it we are actually "tackling" those fools u so much want to save withouth infringing their freedom -_-
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Valhalla18444 Posts
calling on veteran clause to talk about the weather
nice weather we're having
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USA29055 Posts
On November 28 2007 17:24 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 17:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2007 15:21 baal wrote:
Hot_Bid the 10 tl.net commandments say stupidity is a bannable offence Incontrol needs atleast a warning ffs.
He said we should stop people from willingly put their bodies in danger... seriously that deserves a stupidity warning. Hot_Bid made the same argument only he chose to describe it as people eating their own flesh. Me talking about people using fire or drinking so much they are a danger to others was simply an elaboration of the same thing. Do you think Hot_Bid should be banned for being dumb? IF so please say so to him so I can watch you get banned + Show Spoiler +OMG CHECK THE EDIT HOT_BID JESUS If he thinks exactly the way you do then yes he is also stupid, i doubt he does tho. Dangers to "others" ding ding ding, key word there pal, when you ride your BMX bike and brake your spine, its your problem and nobody has the right to stop you, especially not the state, when you decide to race cars and you die because u crash into a wall nobody has the right to stop you either, its your fucking life, your body. And once again you are dodging the fact that legalization would probide a lot of health benefits so by regulating and controling it we are actually "tackling" those fools u so much want to save withouth infringing their freedom -_-
Er I wouldnt promote stopping people from riding bikes or anything like that. But if a dude tried to jump the grand canyon on a mountain bike yes, I would try and stop him. That is the distinction you are missing that Hot_Bid and I essentially made. Stop over generalizing and dumbing down my argument then calling me dumb for the argument you manifested.
And you used "tackling" out of the context it was being used previously which is a shame, I thought it was getting funny.
Anyways I dont need to try and word it any better than Hot_bid did. Go read his post and look for the reference to "eating your own flesh" that was where he made the argument that I was making as well.
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Braavos36375 Posts
Unfortunately baal, that's not how society works. People simply cannot do whatever they want because they are "only harming themselves." There are always consequences for the rest of society.
In your example, let's say instead of BMX bike riding it was taking a knife and cutting out your own intestines to eat. Now you are only harming yourself, but does society and law in general have an interest in stopping it? Should there be an age limit on deciding when someone is fit mentally to decide whether they can eat their own intestines? Should we try to counsel these people and teach them not to do this, or should we simply let them kill themselves? You may say the latter, but society has an interest in rehabilitation, because that person could contribute to society later.
In reality, his death and the horror of his actions DO impact society, even if you see it only as an injury on himself. For example, his little brother may decide that he wants to try intestine eating. Or on a larger level, the act is so "morally depraved" that it negatively impacts society on a whole. For example, the story of an epidemic of intestine-eating is on TV, and people are so sickened and scared of it that they stop going out to eat and going to movies and the economy crashes. These results may sound far-fetched, but that's exactly what happened after September 11th (the act was so morally "bad" that it had immeasurable consequences on society outside of the scope of the actual damage).
So instead of worrying about all these issues, we would just ban knife-intestine-carving-eating. It's a simple cost-benefit analysis, are the risks (all those things I mentioned) and costs to figure out how to enforce and regulate intestine eating worth the benefit (idiosyncratic pleasure for the few in society who wish to eat their own intestines). I think the law and society would generally say that the risks, dangers, and cost of worrying/enforcing self-mutilation and intestine eating far outweigh any benefit it could give society. Thus we ban it. It doesn't matter that "its your own intestines, you can do what you want with them."
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On November 28 2007 17:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
calling on veteran clause to talk about the weather
nice weather we're having
Extremely snowy on my side of the country. Got more snow than all of Narnia.
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On November 28 2007 17:36 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 17:24 baal wrote:On November 28 2007 17:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2007 15:21 baal wrote:
Hot_Bid the 10 tl.net commandments say stupidity is a bannable offence Incontrol needs atleast a warning ffs.
He said we should stop people from willingly put their bodies in danger... seriously that deserves a stupidity warning. Hot_Bid made the same argument only he chose to describe it as people eating their own flesh. Me talking about people using fire or drinking so much they are a danger to others was simply an elaboration of the same thing. Do you think Hot_Bid should be banned for being dumb? IF so please say so to him so I can watch you get banned + Show Spoiler +OMG CHECK THE EDIT HOT_BID JESUS If he thinks exactly the way you do then yes he is also stupid, i doubt he does tho. Dangers to "others" ding ding ding, key word there pal, when you ride your BMX bike and brake your spine, its your problem and nobody has the right to stop you, especially not the state, when you decide to race cars and you die because u crash into a wall nobody has the right to stop you either, its your fucking life, your body. And once again you are dodging the fact that legalization would probide a lot of health benefits so by regulating and controling it we are actually "tackling" those fools u so much want to save withouth infringing their freedom -_- Er I wouldnt promote stopping people from riding bikes or anything like that. But if a dude tried to jump the grand canyon on a mountain bike yes, I would try and stop him. That is the distinction you are missing that Hot_Bid and I essentially made. Stop over generalizing and dumbing down my argument then calling me dumb for the argument you manifested. And you used "tackling" out of the context it was being used previously which is a shame, I thought it was getting funny. Anyways I dont need to try and word it any better than Hot_bid did. Go read his post and look for the reference to "eating your own flesh" that was where he made the argument that I was making as well.
Because BMXing is dangerous... jumping from the Grand Canyon is nearly suicidal.... so is eating your own intestines.
So its a matter of quantity... how dangerous the act is, you can skydive, you cant skydive withouth a parachute am i right?
Well i hope you both are aware that a motor racing is much much much dangerous than sleeping with a prostitute, so are a countless number of extreme sports... and not only recreational activities but actual jobs are much more dangerous like those giant crab fishers etc.
So please drop the argument about "its for your health" argument, if the reason why prostitution is illegal its because of health then its retarded since the market wont ever dissapear and they are only making it more unhealthy, and they are increasing the risks for the prostitute and the costumer a shit load by making it illegal.
That legislation is about morality and you both know it -_-
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Canada9720 Posts
On November 28 2007 18:33 MYM.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 17:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
calling on veteran clause to talk about the weather
nice weather we're having Extremely snowy on my side of the country. Got more snow than all of Narnia.
nuthin but rain and wind over hurr on tha east coast
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Braavos36375 Posts
On November 28 2007 18:39 baal wrote:
Because BMXing is dangerous... jumping from the Grand Canyon is nearly suicidal.... so is eating your own intestines.
What about eating your own limbs then? That's not suicidal, you think we should allow people to cut off their own limbs (medically) and eat them, as long as its "not suicidal"?
Baal, I don't think you can distinguish BMXing from eating your own limbs without resorting to some sort of moral argument.
My point is there are many valid reasons for wanting to legalize prostitution, but when you say "she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her own body, who is the state to come tell her no," it's simply not a good argument. There are many instances where you would want the state to say no to something someone is doing to their own body.
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baal you seriously are over generalizing.. -_-
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On November 28 2007 19:20 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 18:39 baal wrote:
Because BMXing is dangerous... jumping from the Grand Canyon is nearly suicidal.... so is eating your own intestines. What about eating your own limbs then? That's not suicidal, you think we should allow people to cut off their own limbs (medically) and eat them, as long as its "not suicidal"? Baal, I don't think you can distinguish BMXing from eating your own limbs without resorting to some sort of moral argument. My point is there are many valid reasons for wanting to legalize prostitution, but when you say "she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her own body, who is the state to come tell her no," it's simply not a good argument. There are many instances where you would want the state to say no to something someone is doing to their own body.
Again with dumb comparitions... so you rather cut and eat your leg than fuck a prostitute? you think they are in the same level of hazzard? no you dont so stop making dumb examples.
And yeah i believe you should be able to do with your body whatever the fuck you want, however a person cutting his body in parts to eat them is definitelly mentally ill and he should be institutionalized, same reason why i believe drugs should be legal, the state shall not say what i can and cannot do with my body.
and AGAIN you are dodging the fact that if it were a health issue and not a morality issue then it would be insta legalized and regulated since its obvious it would lower all the dangers in it
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On November 28 2007 20:50 baal wrote:
Again with dumb comparitions... so you rather cut and eat your leg than fuck a prostitute? you think they are in the same level of hazzard? no you dont so stop making dumb examples.
Did I at any point say that I personally would rather do any of those things? Did I say it's the "same level of hazard?" I even said that there are valid reasons for legalizing prostitution, nowhere did I say I felt there were valid reasons for legalizing eating your own body parts. You need to learn how to read other people's posts without randomly making things up.
I'm saying the "levels of hazard" you are using to distinguish cutting body parts and fucking prostitutes eventually boil down some sort of moral judgment. It's not some objective test.
And yeah i believe you should be able to do with your body whatever the fuck you want, however a person cutting his body in parts to eat them is definitelly mentally ill and he should be institutionalized, same reason why i believe drugs should be legal, the state shall not say what i can and cannot do with my body.
Really? someone cutting his body is definitely mentally ill? What about tatoos? Body piercings? What about really deep tatoos? That's permanent scarring, isn't cutting large pieces of skin off just one step further than tatoos? And then cutting chunks of skin off? According to you, shouldn't people be able to do "whatever they want with their body?" Where do you draw the line between getting tatoos and piercings and taking large chunks of flesh out of your body? Are all people who get tatoos mentally ill?
My point is you are trying to distinguish "doing whatever the fuck you want with your body" and my cutting body parts off example by saying "oh, the latter is only done by someone who is mentally ill" when it's clearly just a blurry line drawn with morality too. If you really believe you can do anything you want with your body, you wouldn't have any problem with people cutting off their own limbs.
and AGAIN you are dodging the fact that if it were a health issue and not a morality issue then it would be insta legalized and regulated since its obvious it would lower all the dangers in it
I'm not dodging the issue, I already said many times that there are valid reasons for supporting the legalization of prostitution, Tien and Freak presented a lot of them. I'm saying YOUR reasoning, that "you should be able to do whatever you want with your body" is a really stupid argument. I gave lots of reasons why and you responded with the statements I quoted above, so clearly you didn't fully understand what I was saying.
I don't know if you're purposely trying to troll me with the stuff you say or if you genuinely don't understand the points I'm making. With Tien and Freak, I think we reached some point of mutual understanding, but with you I just think all that went right over your head.
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
No, but I may consider having one today though ;p
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On November 28 2007 18:33 MYM.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2007 17:28 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
calling on veteran clause to talk about the weather
nice weather we're having Extremely snowy on my side of the country. Got more snow than all of Narnia.
we got an inch or two over here, but a biting, relentless wind has kept it from being too enjoyable
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On November 28 2007 21:27 RaGe wrote:
c-c-c-c-cloooose!
i think i agree with you.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Wow at the pathetic nit-picking discussion in this thread.
All men are whores. All women are whores. The end.
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