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On May 04 2018 01:37 10dla wrote:
The reason why western Remastered isnt happening because of complete shitfest reactions on tournaments.
lets get real here....
this is how much attention the SC franchise is getting from ATVI.
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its just not on their radar. ATVI is pumping "maintenance money" into the SC franchise so ATVI can keep the SC IP strong. This is so the IP can be leveraged into some new billion dollar game that is not RTS.
ATVI is not interested in the RTS genre. as a fan of a game and frachise the worst situation to be in ...
is having the game you like being the 15th most important priority for a giant corporation. that's what is going on right now with both SC1 and SC2.
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On May 04 2018 05:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 01:37 10dla wrote:
The reason why western Remastered isnt happening because of complete shitfest reactions on tournaments. lets get real here.... this is how much attention the SC franchise is getting from ATVI. its just not on their radar. ATVI is pumping "maintenance money" into the SC franchise so ATVI can keep the SC IP strong. This is so the IP can be leveraged into some new billion dollar game that is not RTS. ATVI is not interested in the RTS genre. as a fan of a game and frachise the worst situation to be in ... is having the game you like being the 15th most important priority for a giant corporation. that's what is going on right now with both SC1 and SC2.
That would explain why Blizzard doesnt pump money into the game. But where is the community? Warcraft 3 is going strong right now. Before and after that patch. Is there heavy investment by Blizzard? Maybe there is some money flowing i dont know about. "But there is Starcraft 2!". People are still willing to watch both games when presented in good fashion. Also: Not interested in RTS? Is that why they updated Warcraft 3?
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On May 04 2018 05:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 01:37 10dla wrote:
The reason why western Remastered isnt happening because of complete shitfest reactions on tournaments. lets get real here.... this is how much attention the SC franchise is getting from ATVI. its just not on their radar. ATVI is pumping "maintenance money" into the SC franchise so ATVI can keep the SC IP strong. This is so the IP can be leveraged into some new billion dollar game that is not RTS. ATVI is not interested in the RTS genre. as a fan of a game and frachise the worst situation to be in ... is having the game you like being the 15th most important priority for a giant corporation. that's what is going on right now with both SC1 and SC2.
Well put...
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E-sport audience doesn't equal players base.
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lol. Businesses make up powerpoints to show probably big spending, or it's made by someone who barely knows shit and googled Blizzards games and put random logos up there. Don't act like this is the "end all be all" because you found some shitty powerpoint slide.
Just because SC isn't on that radar doesn't mean blizzard isn't putting money into SC. Look at WCS and the events that have been hosted for SC:R.
Come on, stop looking for doomsday signs and just work on building something like I am.
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On May 04 2018 07:20 SchAmToo wrote:
lol. Businesses make up powerpoints to show probably big spending, or it's made by someone who barely knows shit and googled Blizzards games and put random logos up there. Don't act like this is the "end all be all" because you found some shitty powerpoint slide.
Just because SC isn't on that radar doesn't mean blizzard isn't putting money into SC. Look at WCS and the events that have been hosted for SC:R.
Come on, stop looking for doomsday signs and just work on building something like I am.
Yeah I think Jimmy's offbase on that one. Especially when Diablo is on there and we know that Starcraft has gotten way more love over Diablo the last 2 years....
Also its a matter of perspective too. The type of money to make Starcraft 1 & 2 fans really joyous with events are negligible when they're talking about investors, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't give a shit to want to hold events and support, foster communities.
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On May 04 2018 07:20 SchAmToo wrote:
lol. Businesses make up powerpoints to show probably big spending, or it's made by someone who barely knows shit and googled Blizzards games and put random logos up there. Don't act like this is the "end all be all" because you found some shitty powerpoint slide.
Just because SC isn't on that radar doesn't mean blizzard isn't putting money into SC. Look at WCS and the events that have been hosted for SC:R.
Come on, stop looking for doomsday signs and just work on building something like I am.
And I thank you for your effort SchAmToo, your streams and castings are awesome.
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On May 04 2018 07:05 AntiHack wrote:E-sport audience doesn't equal players base.
but its and indicator. But I also dont see where the numbers are negative bc you would need to compare them to previous numbers (the term growth indicates a time series).
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On May 04 2018 07:31 MarcoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 07:05 AntiHack wrote:E-sport audience doesn't equal players base. but its and indicator. But I also dont see where the numbers are negative bc you would need to compare them to previous numbers (the term growth indicates a time series).
Maybe an indicator for the west but Korea is quite different.
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On May 03 2018 22:17 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 12:27 Kare wrote:
I just wish that the gaming world cared more about RTS. 10 years ago RTS was HUGE with the giant bw scene in korea, wc3 was pretty big. SC2 came out and RTS continued to be super big in e-sports and gaming in general, but now it seems like RTS is a dying species.. I think MOBA's killed it. Very similar elements just simplified and more manageable for your average player.
To be honest I think SC2 killed the RTS.
It had a more narrow appeal than SC1 since it was designed to be all about E-sports and neglected everything else (like custom games). And thus boxed in the RTS genre into E-sports. And then, new non-RTS E-sports got big, and that was the end of that.
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On May 04 2018 08:32 KungKras wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 22:17 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 03 2018 12:27 Kare wrote:
I just wish that the gaming world cared more about RTS. 10 years ago RTS was HUGE with the giant bw scene in korea, wc3 was pretty big. SC2 came out and RTS continued to be super big in e-sports and gaming in general, but now it seems like RTS is a dying species.. I think MOBA's killed it. Very similar elements just simplified and more manageable for your average player. To be honest I think SC2 killed the RTS. It had a more narrow appeal than SC1 since it was designed to be all about E-sports and neglected everything else (like custom games). And thus boxed in the RTS genre into E-sports. And then, new non-RTS E-sports got big, and that was the end of that.
Yeah, Starcraft 2 should have had a bigger approach to Custom Games, so things like mobas cant evolve....no wait....
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On May 03 2018 18:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
scene is growing, look qikz league even mind and best are playing. BSL is going to chicago next season.have at you is onfire with koget winning the tournament vs shinee.So we are ready to go Blizzard!
I had no idea about any of this. Can this stuff get a TL writeup with links to Youtube videos so we can follow along?
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SCBW and WC3 are heading into an interesting era where the viewer base is old enough to have jobs and spending cash. 15 years ago we were all watching OSL together all hoping to be a "progamer", then going to college, then going through the shit stage of a career. Now people have families and jobs. ASL is starting to charge for seats which is totally fine since both the scene and the people involved have matured. I think that while paid content didn't fly a decade ago, it's totally fine these days.
A reliance on streaming is an evolution of that. Now that people have some spending cash... I still would rather watch SCBW than baseball, so I might as well try to give to the scene.
The issue that I am having is that I don't know how to really support the scene. I don't watch live streaming and don't go onto AfreekaTV.com (but if I was in Korea I would've paid $500 for front row tickets to Flash vs Snow  ). WC3 is taking off again because BackToWarcraft has created a great channel for the English speaking audience, for all sorts of events, and people are donating to it.
But SCBW? I didn't know shit about anything that eonzerg posted. I come to TL quite a bit but the foreigner stuff just isn't focused. No one is doing a nice writeup about it, or has a Youtube channel I can subscribe to. Someone really needs to write a guide on "how to get into the SC E-sports community", since I'd bet $100 that the ASL only caught on because it's posted to Afreeka's Youtube channel which also has SC2 so people already knew about it.
Okay, that was all over the place but there's young professionals like me who would love to watch the games and contribute to the scene, but only follow the scene a little bit. Direct us to the right channels. Wading through TL forums to find a VoD is too time consuming and requires prerequisite knowledge about the scene. Someone should curate the content.
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On May 04 2018 09:52 rackdude wrote:SCBW and WC3 are heading into an interesting era where the viewer base is old enough to have jobs and spending cash. 15 years ago we were all watching OSL together all hoping to be a "progamer", then going to college, then going through the shit stage of a career. Now people have families and jobs. ASL is starting to charge for seats which is totally fine since both the scene and the people involved have matured. I think that while paid content didn't fly a decade ago, it's totally fine these days. A reliance on streaming is an evolution of that. Now that people have some spending cash... I still would rather watch SCBW than baseball, so I might as well try to give to the scene. The issue that I am having is that I don't know how to really support the scene. I don't watch live streaming and don't go onto AfreekaTV.com (but if I was in Korea I would've paid $500 for front row tickets to Flash vs Snow ). WC3 is taking off again because BackToWarcraft has created a great channel for the English speaking audience, for all sorts of events, and people are donating to it. But SCBW? I didn't know shit about anything that eonzerg posted. I come to TL quite a bit but the foreigner stuff just isn't focused. No one is doing a nice writeup about it, or has a Youtube channel I can subscribe to. Someone really needs to write a guide on "how to get into the SC E-sports community", since I'd bet $100 that the ASL only caught on because it's posted to Afreeka's Youtube channel which also has SC2 so people already knew about it. Okay, that was all over the place but there's young professionals like me who would love to watch the games and contribute to the scene, but only follow the scene a little bit. Direct us to the right channels. Wading through TL forums to find a VoD is too time consuming and requires prerequisite knowledge about the scene. Someone should curate the content.
I think that's an excellent point, right now the BW scene could use some direction and cohesion for outsiders looking in
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On May 04 2018 07:20 SchAmToo wrote:
lol. Businesses make up powerpoints to show probably big spending, or it's made by someone who barely knows shit and googled Blizzards games and put random logos up there. Don't act like this is the "end all be all" because you found some shitty powerpoint slide.
to slander the team that constructs the investor call script is off base. claiming they 'barely know shit' is incorrect. i'd say they know 10,000 times more about the financials of ATVI's franchises and ATVI's future strategies than you do.
every word in every investor call is calculated. it is the end all be all. check out the revenue attached to those logos. then examine the revenue attached to the other Blizzard properties not on that slide. the way ATVI is perceived by investors is on the line during every minute of every investor call. these are not random logos.
during the investor call every logo in that slide was mentioned and the word "starcraft" was said exactly zero times. another indicator these are not "random logos".
on a gaming forum you could easily say things like this though.
ATVI has the RTS genre in maintenance mode and it has been that way for at least 3 years now. and like i said earlier, ATVI is a giant monster multi-billion dollar company and the RTS genre and the Starcraft RTS franchise is something like priority #15 for them.
On May 04 2018 09:52 rackdude wrote:
SCBW and WC3 are heading into an interesting era where the viewer base is old enough to have jobs and spending cash. 15 years ago we were all watching OSL together all hoping to be a "progamer", then going to college, then going through the shit stage of a career. Now people have families and jobs. ASL is starting to charge for seats which is totally fine since both the scene and the people involved have matured. I think that while paid content didn't fly a decade ago, it's totally fine these days.
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Okay, that was all over the place but there's young professionals like me who would love to watch the games and contribute to the scene, but only follow the scene a little bit. Direct us to the right channels. Wading through TL forums to find a VoD is too time consuming and requires prerequisite knowledge about the scene. Someone should curate the content.
this is exactly why Bob Kotick paid $90 million for Activision in 1991. Activision was just a "brand" ... it had nothing, no dev staff, no marketing , nothing. Kotick was purchasing the fond memories from 1980 that teenagers of that era had. and now these teenagers were in their prime earning years with a tonne of cash to spend. I don't see ATVI investing in the RTS genre in any tangible way though.
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I really wish foreign broodwar was growing, but every month it seems like less and less streams on Twitch.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
the BW scene also need to start investing in merch sales >_>
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On May 04 2018 10:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 07:20 SchAmToo wrote:
lol. Businesses make up powerpoints to show probably big spending, or it's made by someone who barely knows shit and googled Blizzards games and put random logos up there. Don't act like this is the "end all be all" because you found some shitty powerpoint slide.
to slander the team that constructs the investor call script is off base. claiming they 'barely know shit' is incorrect. i'd say they know 10,000 times more about the financials of ATVI's franchises and ATVI's future strategies than you do. every word in every investor call is calculated. it is the end all be all. check out the revenue attached to those logos. then examine the revenue attached to the other Blizzard properties not on that slide. the way ATVI is perceived by investors is on the line during every minute of every investor call. these are not random logos. during the investor call every logo in that slide was mentioned and the word "starcraft" was said exactly zero times. another indicator these are not "random logos". on a gaming forum you could easily say things like this though. ATVI has the RTS genre in maintenance mode and it has been that way for at least 3 years now. and like i said earlier, ATVI is a giant monster multi-billion dollar company and the RTS genre and the Starcraft RTS franchise is something like priority #15 for them. Show nested quote +On May 04 2018 09:52 rackdude wrote:
SCBW and WC3 are heading into an interesting era where the viewer base is old enough to have jobs and spending cash. 15 years ago we were all watching OSL together all hoping to be a "progamer", then going to college, then going through the shit stage of a career. Now people have families and jobs. ASL is starting to charge for seats which is totally fine since both the scene and the people involved have matured. I think that while paid content didn't fly a decade ago, it's totally fine these days.
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Okay, that was all over the place but there's young professionals like me who would love to watch the games and contribute to the scene, but only follow the scene a little bit. Direct us to the right channels. Wading through TL forums to find a VoD is too time consuming and requires prerequisite knowledge about the scene. Someone should curate the content. this is exactly why Bob Kotick paid $90 million for Activision in 1991. Activision was just a "brand" ... it had nothing, no dev staff, no marketing , nothing. Kotick was purchasing the fond memories from 1980 that teenagers of that era had. and now these teenagers were in their prime earning years with a tonne of cash to spend. I don't see ATVI investing in the RTS genre in any tangible way though.
Maintenance comes from maintaining, doesnt it? Is that a bad thing? Legacy of the Void was released 3 years ago. And you saying that they should have already released another expansion or a complete new RTS? Valve is maintaining DotA 2 since it has its release. Actually, Valve does nothing but maintaining games. And Valve is the best company ever(?)
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i'm saying the RTS genre and the SC franchise is priority # ~15. and that is a bad spot to be in. Blizzard isn't a "volume publisher" like EA.
i'd say ATVI is more concerned with keeping the SC IP strong than investing in competitive esports RTS games. The SC IP is important to them so they can produce a game using the IP several years into the future. it is extremely expensive to create a new IP from scratch.
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