EPTMinute: 1:44:02
Here Tastosis mentioning how the Brood War e-sport scene is growing especially in Korea.
My question is how much is it growing and how much in the west? Do anyone have numbers?
Thank you
Brood War e-sport scene growing
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
Minute: 1:44:02 Here Tastosis mentioning how the Brood War e-sport scene is growing especially in Korea. My question is how much is it growing and how much in the west? Do anyone have numbers? Thank you | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
I hope we get some sort of initiative from Blizzard or something soon, maybe it could light a spark in competitive western brood war scene. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On May 03 2018 06:05 Kare wrote: Almost seems like it's shrinking in the west. If it weren't for peoples own initiative, generosity and donations, we wouldn't have anything to even play for. Have at you tournaments, BSL, pylon show, etc.. only things to do really. Starcraft 1 tournaments at places like dreamhack has died a long time ago because there are so few people that play, and the audience is also tiny. I hope we get some sort of initiative from Blizzard or something soon, maybe it could light a spark in competitive western brood war scene. Yes I hope in some blizzard initiative as well but I find it very unlikely. Nowadays pixzard doesn't really like Brood War. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 03 2018 06:05 Kare wrote: Almost seems like it's shrinking in the west. If it weren't for peoples own initiative, generosity and donations, we wouldn't have anything to even play for. Have at you tournaments, BSL, pylon show, etc.. only things to do really. Starcraft 1 tournaments at places like dreamhack has died a long time ago because there are so few people that play, and the audience is also tiny. I hope we get some sort of initiative from Blizzard or something soon, maybe it could light a spark in competitive western brood war scene. I'd love to have a western bw scene but honestly that is nearly impossible at this point. The level of play in the west is nowhere near the level required to justify a league or tournament. No one would watch unless it's a showmatch with old school bw celebs. Such events are unsustainable. It would be a huge mistake to try and revive something deader than dead. Even at the highest point of bw, the west was inconsequential. It was all Korea and that's okay. We can have a great amateur scene in the west, but keep all the pro stuff in Korea. I'd rather have blizz try to raise the next generation of Korean bw pros (we need new blood badly), than do anything for western scene. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
On May 03 2018 10:17 Golgotha wrote: I'd love to have a western bw scene but honestly that is nearly impossible at this point. The level of play in the west is nowhere near the level required to justify a league or tournament. No one would watch unless it's a showmatch with old school bw celebs. Such events are unsustainable. It would be a huge mistake to try and revive something deader than dead. Even at the highest point of bw, the west was inconsequential. It was all Korea and that's okay. We can have a great amateur scene in the west, but keep all the pro stuff in Korea. I'd rather have blizz try to raise the next generation of Korean bw pros (we need new blood badly), than do anything for western scene. I agree with most of what you said, but I just wanna point out that the level of some foreigners are actually higher than most people think. It's just really hard to keep going up in skill level for those players because there is so little reason to actually play. | ||
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PiSan
United States160 Posts
Don't discount foreigners completely though. Despite barely any infrastructure/money/public interest there have been plenty of dedicated and skilled players rise out of the foreign scene. And now that the base game is free, we have an unprecedented opportunity to reach new players that may have never played before. I think the opportunity is ripe for the foreign scene to grow if we give it some love. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On May 03 2018 10:08 Golgotha wrote: If blizzard wants to help, they should just focus on the Korean scene and not the west. That's how it has always worked for bw. Bw won't catch in the west, no need to waste resources trying to do the impossible. But by having a great pro scene in Korea, you keep bw alive around the globe. I really want a blizz con tournament. Have the top 16 in the asl come and play for the championship. Top top players would be seeded into the later rounds. The problem with reaching out beyond Korea is not that it is naturally difficult or financially unsound but that Korean esports is lightyears ahead of the competition that any foreign tournament will just look like weak product. I agree though, strengthen the Korean base and we can all build on that. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 03 2018 12:02 Twinkle Toes wrote: The problem with reaching out beyond Korea is not that it is naturally difficult or financially unsound but that Korean esports is lightyears ahead of the competition that any foreign tournament will just look like weak product. I agree though, strengthen the Korean base and we can all build on that. Yup, it's exactly what I said in my 2nd post. Not many people will enjoy watching foreigners when there are Koreans like flash and snow who can give us unbelievable games. I personally enjoy watching some of the foreigners on here because they are part of this community and I see them on here. That's super awesome that we can interact with them. But I don't think there are that many people like me to warrant an entire tournament. BUT. BUT. If blizz does a blizz con event... Have one spot for our best foreigner. Now that I can get behind. It's not good enough for foreigners to live on, but that's what foreigners have done for decades. They've loved the game without any help. A single spot for them or even giving them the chance to qualify for a blizz con brood war tournament would be amazing. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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lestye
United States4206 Posts
On May 03 2018 10:08 Golgotha wrote: If blizzard wants to help, they should just focus on the Korean scene and not the west. That's how it has always worked for bw. Bw won't catch in the west, no need to waste resources trying to do the impossible. But by having a great pro scene in Korea, you keep bw alive around the globe. I really want a blizz con tournament. Have the top 16 in the asl come and play for the championship. Top top players would be seeded into the later rounds. I dont think thats a good attitude, the Korean scene seems it has plenty of interest and its growing by itself. I think other regions are the places where it needs the help. On May 03 2018 12:27 Kare wrote: I just wish that the gaming world cared more about RTS. 10 years ago RTS was HUGE with the giant bw scene in korea, wc3 was pretty big. SC2 came out and RTS continued to be super big in e-sports and gaming in general, but now it seems like RTS is a dying species.. There's just so much more competition nowadays. The metrics of success have changed so much. Theres a lot more games, a lot more communities with games with significant playerbases, and a lot more publisher money to go with it. | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
Doing things like hardballing the ASL for royalties/licensing doesn't help, considering KeSPA is really responsible for the game becoming what it did. Leave it to Actiblizz, though.. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On May 03 2018 12:44 Golgotha wrote: ...BUT. BUT. If blizz does a blizz con event... Have one spot for our best foreigner. Now that I can get behind. It's not good enough for foreigners to live on, but that's what foreigners have done for decades. They've loved the game without any help. A single spot for them or even giving them the chance to qualify for a blizz con brood war tournament would be amazing. They have to be good players too, in relation to Koreans,otherwise it would seem like token participation which would undermine the whole competition thing. So the way I see it they could either: 1. Go the original BW way, super financing and infrastructure within Korea which results in the most competitive ecosystem, with an avid captive international audience 2. Go worldwide and be at the mercy of two variables: that the attention towards foreign events would be equal to Korean events, and that sufficient talent will emerge out of international competition to make the entire thing look balanced. The second route is possible only if insane amount of money is poured and countries devout enough passion and resources in order to duplicate the Korean BW infrastructure and produce similar level talents. Either way, Korea seems so far ahead that it seems like a fool's wish. But who knows, maybe the slight lull with the focus on SC2 and the talent being on the old side would give foreigners the chance to level with new BW talents. They could start training grade school kids? I don't really know how to tip the balance, but I don't see any 15-20 foreigner beating any B or C level Korean even with the same amount of training. It all seemed to be an issue of maximizing finite resources, and it is best used in Korea than making any gamble. | ||
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ScarletAerie
40 Posts
On May 03 2018 10:43 konadora wrote: just need to focus on korea, and increase the prize pool to make it sustainable. the player cards reveal how much they've earned in ASL in total and some earned like $1000 since ASL1... dude that aint sustainable. They make more money from streaming | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On May 03 2018 10:43 konadora wrote: just need to focus on korea, and increase the prize pool to make it sustainable. the player cards reveal how much they've earned in ASL in total and some earned like $1000 since ASL1... dude that aint sustainable. Ignoring the streaming comment below, it's perfectly sustainable if they don't make the prize money so ridiculously top heavy. The snooker world championship going on and darts world championship (32 and 72 runner fields respectively) give 20-25% to the winners. Wimbledon is just below 20%. The upcoming football World Cup gives less than 10% to the winning team. ASL gives over 50%. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
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Arrian
United States889 Posts
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