EPTPutin tells David Cameron he wants a "Diplomatic solution" to Ukraine Crisis
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 09 2014 22:37 -Archangel- wrote: There was only propaganda here, and those decided to quit once they figured out we are not stupid to fall for it. Who decided to quit? The usual suspects are still here. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:01 zeo wrote: Who decided to quit? The usual suspects are still here. well I haven't seen that russian guy WHO ARGUES LIKE THIS for a couple of pages | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:10 Jaaaaasper wrote: well I haven't seen that russian guy WHO ARGUES LIKE THIS for a couple of pages Paleman? Think he got banned in this thread the moment he finished with his previous ban (also from this thread) | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:12 zeo wrote: Paleman? Think he got banned in this thread the moment he finished with his previous ban (also from this thread) Wow. His last 100+ posts are all arguing eastern European politics. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:01 zeo wrote: Who decided to quit? The usual suspects are still here. He probably ment the russians who basically repeated Putin's official opinion in broken english. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:19 SilentchiLL wrote: He probably ment the russians who basically repeated Putin's official opinion in broken english. Don't really see how someone's grasp of the English somehow means that their opinion is wrong. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, makes for a better thread than the same 10 circlejerker sockpuppets patting each other on the back and saying 'good job, look at how intelectual and modern our canned opinions are'. edit: people should be more tollarant and respect diversity of opinions, that is how progress happens. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On actual news, it looks like there are new ultimatums issued. Although, as a border guard point was captured last night at 6.00, it might be that we're just not receiving all reports. Also, worryingly, the govt. in Kyiv is starting to take a harder line. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
I don't buy the EU is toughening up. I want to see EU reach stage 3 of their sanctions. Then I will quip my hat, though, but empty thunder under stage 1 and 2 sanctions is just, well, empty. Isolationism might shore up the "outside enemy" image they are portraying in state controlled media in Russia. This development seems very dangerous in terms of further escalations later on, when more pieces of EUs eastern partnership program is getting finalized. By taking Crimea as a protectorate/vassal, Russia has secured themself against Ukraine entering NATO and makes the may 25th election a lot harder to hold in terms of legality (how do you handle Crimea in an election, when you do not recognize the russian takeover?). How hard they are going in the revanchism direction against the other countries choosing EUs trade is harder to say. Moldova is already shaken up. Georgia is partially occupied. It is not a comforting signal for the countries on the fence about the deal. Economic extortion is one thing. Military domineering is a completely different ballgame. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
I also fail to see how solo jerk sessions are any more appealing than those that take place in a circle; sharing is caring. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Cameron called Putin The Prime Minister called President Putin this morning to urge him to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine and to support the formation of a contact group that could lead to direct talks between the governments of Russia and Ukraine. The PM made clear that we, along with our European and American partners, want to work with Russia to find a diplomatic solution to the situation in Ukraine, including Crimea. The PM emphasised that we recognise the right of all Ukrainian people to choose their future and that the elections, currently scheduled for the end of May, provide the best way to do this. The international community should work together to ensure the elections are free, fair and inclusive. President Putin agreed that it is in all our interests to have a stable Ukraine. He said that Russia did want to find a diplomatic solution to the crisis and that he would discuss the proposals on the contact group with Foreign Minister Lavrov tomorrow. The PM and President Putin also discussed the serious economic challenges facing Ukraine and agreed that the international community would need to provide financial support in the months ahead. Both leaders agreed to stay in touch on the issue in the coming days. Source. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On the other hand the multiple myths about me telling everyone to suck hitler's cock or some other sillyness are extremly laughable. Just goes with the line of all the disinformation and buzzwords being thrown about. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:40 Ghanburighan wrote: with how much russian dirty money is floating the streets of london this weak shit is pretty expected. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On March 09 2014 22:43 Ghanburighan wrote: I got my hands on some insider information. I can't reveal the source nor verify it in any way, so take it as you will. 1) The West is taking the crisis in Ukraine much more seriously than the public discourse reveals with strong reactions not only diplomatically but also with regard to military preparation and intelligence work. 2) While the diplomatic efforts in the EU appear restrained, there's a great deal more willingness among countries to act. This is especially true for France despite the Mistral deal. Even Germany's Merkel made diplomatic moves well beyond considered in their comfort zone. Note this EPP summit announcement by Merkel that has gone unnoticed. 3) The Ukrainians are deploying their troops to the borders of Crimea (at least every bit of machinery that still works, despite not being turned on since WWII - but Russia's troops there are also in a sorry state). Edit: Despite what they might say. 4) One of the main indicators for Russia's actions to follow is the Foreign Exchange reserves of the Russian central bank. The first day of trading (Monday), they lost 2% of their reserves. Yet, it has not been reported how much has been spent last week. There are some estimates around 15% but I can't find any accurate data. 5) A lot of people who have not slept much for almost a month are making decisions which will decide the fate of a great many people. Pessimism is warranted. Yet, it's unlikely this will become a shooting war, unless the Ukrainians decide so themselves. *** Regardless of your "sources" most of what you've said pretty obvious. Of course the West is preparing for and going over all their options, including the unlikely military options. Most western nations have probably get going over scenarios for a Russian invasion of Ukraine (and every other country around Russia) for years. And of course Ukraine is gearing up for war, they have been invaded! This is so sad for the people of Crimea. So sad for Ukraine. Ukraine had every right to resist the invasion. And if they had known the West would have supported them, I believe they would have. Too bad the West is indecisive, weak, and feeble minded. We know what has to happen. But we aren't willing to risk anything to achieve it. And therefore, we let the bully win. All the political presence and might of democracy that was paid for so dearly by millions of live in World War II is washed away by people too scared to do what is right. Or as FDR said "if their freedom is taken away, our freedom is not secure." Not a single person should have their freedom taken away in 2014, and if they do, the whole world should do whatever it takes to guarantee it. It is really sad. "The Spirit of man has awakened The Soul of man has gone forth Grant us the wisdom and the vision to comprehend the greatness of man's Spirit that suffers and endures so hugely for a goal beyond his own brief span We are all of us children of Earth Grant us that simple knowledge If our brothers are oppressed, then we are oppressed If they hunger, we hunger If their freedom is taken away, our freedom is not secure Grant us a common faith, that man shall know bread and peace That he shall know justice and righteousness, Freedom and security, an equal opportunity, and an equal chance to do his best, not only in our own lands, but throughout the world. And in that faith, let us march, march toward the clean world, our hands can make. Amen" - Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 14, 1942 | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
Here's what i think is going to happen: 1. On March 16th Crimea will vote to join Russia, but will be rejected by the Russian parliament, however, much like with Ossetia, it will be acknowledged as a separate state or autonomy or whatever, and provided financial and military aid. 2. The new gov-t will use the first wave of financial aid (~4bn $ from US, EU etc) to delay drastic spending cuts and price hikes until the May elections. The real game will begin when spending cuts and price hikes come into play, because, as far as I understand, they will affect social security, utilities, i.e. "real people". 3. Even if the EU is truly supportive of the new Ukrainian gov-t and freedom and blah... I am quire sure, that they won't be as supportive of cheaper Ukrainian products flooding into the EU. However, I did not research the benefits of the DCFTA closely enough to measure potential benefits or a lack thereof. 4. Unless the new Ukrainian gov-t decides to use the military to "get Crimea back" or at least to overthrow the Crimean gov-t, there is not going to be any shooting or Russian troops invading the "mainland". However, if military scenario was to take place, it will be over in less than a week in the same manner as the Georgian war: Russian troops are not going to advance further, but will destroy pretty much the whole military infrastructure. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
if you think the thousands that fight now in Syria for the rebels is bad well, think again ... | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
Also, Russians painting symbols marking the residents of Crimean Tartars is a very worrying sign, reminds me a little too much of... past tragedies. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 10 2014 01:08 xM(Z wrote: if the unlikely were to happen, you'd have 5% - 10% of europeans fighting for the russians, to crush the western imperialism. if you think the thousands that fight now in Syria for the rebels is bad well, think again ... to crush the imperialism trying to stop the russians from crushing their country? i guess flawless logic | ||
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