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Austria24422 Posts
something something SC2 dying something something
Hope they'll find someone to buy IPL soon.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
IPL also had LoL and Shootmania, the former of which is obviously a big deal in eSports.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:48 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO. no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest It's more that IGN got sold and they are scaling back, which means IPL is as well until they get a new buyer. IGN was owned by News Corp and without that backing, IPL likely lack the liquid cash to run large events. It is the way of he world.
I doubt that News Corp invested that much into IGN. It's been pretty common knowledge that News Corp's been looking to sell IGN for years now. You don't heavily invest in something that you're looking to sell. The IPL cancellation is the result of a refocusing of IGN's priorities by ZD, not the pulling of financial backing for IGN. In fact, I'd wager that ZD will probably pump more money into IGN over the next couple years than Newscorp ever really wanted to do.
It's just that, unfortunately, it seems that one way ZD is going to justify that investment is by shuttering projects and sites they feel are nonessential to IGN's success, including GameSpy, 1UP and IPL.
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
You should go to LoL subreddit and make a post about how LoL is dying because it's not profitable for IGN.
It's like the Olympic games weren't happening and people were shouting "Table tennis is dying!!!!"
No, actually no. It's the whole thing that's not happening. IPL6 as a whole. Not just SC2.
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On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2.
Sorry, I just don't agree. I've grown up with Blizzard games, I know just how much higher quality the games that both BW and even TFT offered when compared to SC2. Imo Blizzard dropped the ball with SC2, and most recently D3. I still stand by my statement, if SC2 offered games that were as exciting or intense as most Professional BW games, then viewers would rise or at least stay consistent. Instead, we have had the scene slowly but surely shrinking over the past 3 years, and now IPL is simply not able to sustain itself any longer.
I also think Gom expanding their tournament selection to more than just SC2 is even more evidence, they're likely not able to sustain themselves with the small viewership either. This is even with a partnership with Blizzard, whom are still raking in plenty of cash off WoW I assume.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
That's like saying when a restaurant closes it's because eating is dying... WTF??!
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Austria24422 Posts
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Their new studio in a more expensive part of Seoul costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around.
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holy shit! This is mad scary!
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On March 01 2013 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around.
I also like to add that GOM ran Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and A.V.A. leagues alongside their BW leagues back in the day. GOMtv running multiple leagues for multiple games is hardly unusual.
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On March 01 2013 23:41 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around. I also like to add that GOM ran Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and A.V.A. leagues alongside their BW leagues back in the day. GOMtv running multiple leagues for multiple games is hardly unusual.
3 years of running only SC2 tournaments, and now that viewer numbers are way down across the board, they start to expand their tournament roster. Yep, not unusual.
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On March 01 2013 23:43 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:41 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 01 2013 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around. I also like to add that GOM ran Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and A.V.A. leagues alongside their BW leagues back in the day. GOMtv running multiple leagues for multiple games is hardly unusual. 3 years of running only SC2 tournaments, and now that viewer numbers are way down across the board, they start to expand their tournament roster. Yep, not unusual.
You're extrapolating and assuming too much out of GOM's decisions.
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 01 2013 23:43 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:41 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 01 2013 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around. I also like to add that GOM ran Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and A.V.A. leagues alongside their BW leagues back in the day. GOMtv running multiple leagues for multiple games is hardly unusual. 3 years of running only SC2 tournaments, and now that viewer numbers are way down across the board, they start to expand their tournament roster. Yep, not unusual.
Where exactly are you getting their viewership numbers from?
Also how do you explain their new expensive studio with that logic?
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it's that time of the week again when you read a recent thread, see a username, and you already know "oh yeah it's THAT guy again" . you know when suddenly hundreds of cars are approaching you on the road, chances are YOU are the wrong-way driver, and not all the other ones @_@
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On March 01 2013 23:37 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2. Sorry, I just don't agree. I've grown up with Blizzard games, I know just how much higher quality the games that both BW and even TFT offered when compared to SC2. Imo Blizzard dropped the ball with SC2, and most recently D3. I still stand by my statement, if SC2 offered games that were as exciting or intense as most Professional BW games, then viewers would rise or at least stay consistent. Instead, we have had the scene slowly but surely shrinking over the past 3 years, and now IPL is simply not able to sustain itself any longer. I also think Gom expanding their tournament selection to more than just SC2 is even more evidence, they're likely not able to sustain themselves with the small viewership either. This is even with a partnership with Blizzard, whom are still raking in plenty of cash off WoW I assume.
Well I disagree and I think you are cherry picking your information in an effort to make your point. GOM has moved into a new studio and has always been open to running other games. No company that runs events is going to run one game, ever. They will always be looking to expand their market and get more viewer. The idea one company would run SC2 until the end of time and never get involved in another game is unreasonable and simply cannot be used as proof that SC2 is shrinking. GOM owns a studio and they are going to use the studio to show more things that SC2.
As for Blizzard, they make mistakes, but their launch games are also not the games we remember. SC prime was not amazing in any way and was completely broken, with no replays, shit maps and terrible balance. D2 prime was not the game people remember and love today. It was the expansions that made those games great, as Blizzard refined the games down to the experience we remember today.
Your entitled to your opinion but you have little evidence to back it up beyond a few leaps of logic like GOM showing more than just SC2 and personal feelings. If you are going to express that opinion, that is fine, but don’t expect the people who strongly disagree to ignore it. There is a growing group of TL members that are extremely tired of the negativity in the community and are expressing that opinion as well. I am one of them and I see the same people expressing their frustration with the negativity.
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It was so obvious that this was going to happen, the same thing is going to NASL too sooner or later.
50k people on a twitch stream and 1000 people attending live is not nearly enough to support this kind of event. The sad thing is that once again some people are screwed who spent money on esport.
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On March 01 2013 23:30 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. IPL also had LoL and Shootmania, the former of which is obviously a big deal in eSports.
And IPL started off with only SC2. Can you imagine what would happen if IPL simply dropped SC2 but continued to produce content for LoL? They would get absolutely railed by the community. I just can't see them dropping only SC2 no matter what.
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On March 02 2013 00:02 marcesr wrote:
It was so obvious that this was going to happen, the same thing is going to NASL too sooner or later.
50k people on a twitch stream and 1000 people attending live is not nearly enough to support this kind of event. The sad thing is that once again some people are screwed who spent money on esport.
There was also a LoL stream and audience that seemed to have healthier numbers. There are a lot more factors at work here than just the SC2 numbers.
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Having a huge tournament weeks after an anticipated expansion is released, but not having it change to the new game? Hard to really draw much from that, even if there is something to be drawn. That couldn't be worse timing if they tried to make it so. It's hard for others to run that bad.
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On March 01 2013 23:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:43 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 23:41 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 01 2013 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Funny because GOM just moved to a bigger, better, more expensive studio and their production for SC2 has only been getting better. That doesn't make sense. Their production costs money. Adding games is a sign that they're doing well, not the other way around. I also like to add that GOM ran Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and A.V.A. leagues alongside their BW leagues back in the day. GOMtv running multiple leagues for multiple games is hardly unusual. 3 years of running only SC2 tournaments, and now that viewer numbers are way down across the board, they start to expand their tournament roster. Yep, not unusual. Where exactly are you getting their viewership numbers from? Also how do you explain their new expensive studio with that logic?
I'm getting my viewer numbers from Twitch.tv, and the general amount of activity forums see relating to SC2 events.
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