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On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious....
I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. People sell things that make a profit ALL THE TIME. Literally.
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Ouch, thats pretty bad for naniwa and all the other pros who are still playing wol. 
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On March 01 2013 22:37 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. People sell things that make a profit ALL THE TIME. Literally.
And what about the tiny viewer numbers? Just gonna ignore that part?
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people need to remember that this isn't IGN just deciding out of nowhere to kill their own brand, it was the recent purchaser Ziff Davis that made the cuts.
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If it´s really cancelled so close before the event takes place, that would be a huge disappointment. Maybe if we had any insight in the calculations we would be able to understand it, but I fear that there´s various reasons involved. IGN/IPL claimed that IPL5 was "...the most successful event in North American eSports history!" (excerpt taken from IPL´s front page) and if there aren´t some really SERIOUS issues, I don´t get this at all. The IPL brand would basically be dead after such a move.
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On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious....
so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you.
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On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you.
No, the source is common sense.
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On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you.
No, it's their competitor.
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On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious....
They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas.
Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience.
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On March 01 2013 22:42 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. No, the source is common sense.
even if it's likely that they are in the red, it's not actually fact because you say so, that's my point 
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On March 01 2013 22:42 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. No, the source is common sense.
You really should be a business advisor, your common sense would be very helpful to all kinds of people who do these complicated accounting things while they could just ask you.
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wow naniwa spent all this time practicing WoL for this one tournament and this happens... what a sad way to end your WoL career on :/
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On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, (there were like 5 posters that were clearly ganging up on me) but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh?
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On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you.
State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO.
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On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO.
no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest
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On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience.
Yes, NASL (I love thePulse, awesome show) should see that as an opportunity. MLG already knows all about this calculation stuff, that´s why they didn´t hire foreign casters for the next event. They also needed to cut down on expenses. It´s perfectly fine, cancelling an event though, hurts everyone involved.
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On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh?
I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way.
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On March 01 2013 22:48 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO. no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest
I guess GOM robbed a bank then to affort their new studio.
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On March 01 2013 22:50 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:48 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO. no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest I guess GOM robbed a bank then to affort their new studio.
just like ipl robbed a bank to afford cosmopolitan ;P
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That would be rather sad news, also if this is true IGN should have reported this way more early themselfs.
this would just be so unprofesional.
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