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On March 05 2013 06:22 CYfiri wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:37 Integra wrote:On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below "Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/iplnot really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on. This is actually great news. If IPL would dissolve it means that the company would be bancrupt and no longer exist hence IPL would have no reason to reimburse people back for any non-refundable cost. No company who has ceased operations has ever payed people back their expenses, such as travels nor does the law force them to. If anything this more shows signs of them postponing the league and trying to give people back their money for those who will not be able to attend a later date or feel that the company let them down. This is more a way of showing good will and the only reason behind it is if IPL as a company still exists. If they would had dissolved than this move would make zero sense. Again, i this is true then it looks like IPL will be okay. This actually depends if it is a stock company or not, at least in Sweden if a stock company goes bankrupt none gets anything back because it is considered a legal person or legal entity while a private company the owner holds all responsibility.
Similar laws exist in the US. (sounds exactly the same to my knowledge) But Im pretty sure IGN is still a private company. NewsCorp sold IGN because they failed to spin it off as another entity or whatever.
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"Hello,
This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email.
The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6.
If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible.
Thank you."
Sorry kids, but it is all about the money and nothing about feelings . IGN is probably just trying to survive and are now contemplating the costs for the cancellation. Otherwise the mail makes no sense.
But since they have not said this or that publicly , nothing has been decided yet. Probably because they simply do not fully know how much money they will save by cutting this part off the IGN.
It is always about the money!
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On March 05 2013 01:04 SirScoots wrote:
I am no Commie!
Indeed. You would never consider redistributing your wealth. Even though I could really use a grant from SirScoots' Dirty Money for Improving Gamers' Lives fund.
Relevant:
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The theorycrafting here is becoming absurd
"The suspense is killing me"
- E-sports
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On March 05 2013 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co. If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all.
Jesus, I've already explained this 3 times, so I won't any more if you response the exact same way again. Replace my original post where I wrote letters IPL, with 'Someone involved with IPL/IGN/ZD...' and then address the argument I was making. You're so hung up on the fact that I asked IPL for a response you're completely ignoring the actual substance of the complaint or gravity of the situation. It's odd you're getting so hung up on something entirely insignficant to what is going on.
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On March 05 2013 06:49 TheFish7 wrote:
The theorycrafting here is becoming absurd
"The suspense is killing me"
- E-sports
This. I really love IPL and it will be sad if they have to go.
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Guess it's time to unsubscribe on twitch at least. *sadness*
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On March 05 2013 06:50 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co. If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all. Jesus, I've already explained this 3 times, so I won't any more if you response the exact same way again. Replace my original post where I wrote letters IPL, with 'Someone involved with IPL/IGN/ZD...' and then address the argument I was making. You're so hung up on the fact that I asked IPL for a response you're completely ignoring the actual substance of the complaint or gravity of the situation. It's odd you're getting so hung up on something entirely insignficant to what is going on.
You blamed IPL. I'm saying don't blame IPL. If you're implying that you misspoke and didn't really mean to blame IPL (not sure why else you would tell me to replace what you wrote with something else) then say so.
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On March 05 2013 08:00 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 06:50 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co. If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all. Jesus, I've already explained this 3 times, so I won't any more if you response the exact same way again. Replace my original post where I wrote letters IPL, with 'Someone involved with IPL/IGN/ZD...' and then address the argument I was making. You're so hung up on the fact that I asked IPL for a response you're completely ignoring the actual substance of the complaint or gravity of the situation. It's odd you're getting so hung up on something entirely insignficant to what is going on. You blamed IPL. I'm saying don't blame IPL. If you're implying that you misspoke and didn't really mean to blame IPL (not sure why else you would tell me to replace what you wrote with something else) then say so.
I don't think people are "blaming" IPL. They just want IPL to tell them if it's still on or not so they can change their plan accordingly, like 3 days ago.
It's like
"Where is your homework?"
"Stop blaming me!"
"I'm not blaming you. I'm just asking where is your homework."
"STOP BLAMING ME!"
"#@$#%$#%^"
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On March 05 2013 08:00 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 06:50 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co. If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all. Jesus, I've already explained this 3 times, so I won't any more if you response the exact same way again. Replace my original post where I wrote letters IPL, with 'Someone involved with IPL/IGN/ZD...' and then address the argument I was making. You're so hung up on the fact that I asked IPL for a response you're completely ignoring the actual substance of the complaint or gravity of the situation. It's odd you're getting so hung up on something entirely insignficant to what is going on. You blamed IPL. I'm saying don't blame IPL. If you're implying that you misspoke and didn't really mean to blame IPL (not sure why else you would tell me to replace what you wrote with something else) then say so.
jaw is completely on the floor. moving on...
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Looking less and less likely they will say anything today.
All that said the word to the wise coming out of teams etc. involved is if you can cancel and get a refund you probably should. Even if the event did happen as planned a lot of the talent is already cancelling their plans so what you would see when you got their would be lack luster. Unless of course you want to go just to enjoy Vegas then by all means.
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On March 05 2013 08:22 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 08:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 06:50 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 06:19 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co. If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all. Jesus, I've already explained this 3 times, so I won't any more if you response the exact same way again. Replace my original post where I wrote letters IPL, with 'Someone involved with IPL/IGN/ZD...' and then address the argument I was making. You're so hung up on the fact that I asked IPL for a response you're completely ignoring the actual substance of the complaint or gravity of the situation. It's odd you're getting so hung up on something entirely insignficant to what is going on. You blamed IPL. I'm saying don't blame IPL. If you're implying that you misspoke and didn't really mean to blame IPL (not sure why else you would tell me to replace what you wrote with something else) then say so. jaw is completely on the floor. moving on...
You don't seem to have good logical reasoning lol. Otherwise you wouldn't think that your tangential argument regarding the "larger issue" and the "gravity of the situation" actually is relevant to my point about blaming IPL. I would try to walk you through it more but you're clearly not comprehending my point in any kind of precise manner.
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Well doesn't seem to be IPL content tonight. That's a rarity and a I think group d of the Korean qualifiers were scheduled.
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Bankruptcy doesn't apply here because IGN is solvent. If it's cancelled, the ticket cost will be refunded no question. If they ever want to esports again, hotel and flight for the teams will be as well.
It's hotel and flight for eventgoers that's uncertain I would say.
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On March 05 2013 08:50 ssg wrote:
Well doesn't seem to be IPL content tonight. That's a rarity and a I think group d of the Korean qualifiers were scheduled.
Tonight was supposed to be a fight club or at least every other Monday has been. Since fight club recently got moved to HOTS it might just mean that the players were not able to play the series before the beta went down.
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by this point they should have announced that its being cancelled...so maybe all these 'reports' are false...
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i think they were going to skip fight club because of SxSW
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