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On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money.
Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now --->
Pass judgment on a specific party anyway --->
Fun times in the SC2 community
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hey everybody lets hyper overanalyze every single part of this then draw conclusions based on rumors and opinions
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for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/
also quoted below
"Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/ipl
not really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on.
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On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community
So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well.
Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers.
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On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below Show nested quote +"Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/ipl not really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on.
Well, at least they are trying to get the tab on teams. Now those people who paid IPL ticket money? Who cares.
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On March 05 2013 05:08 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below "Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/iplnot really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on. Well, at least they are trying to get the tab on teams. Now those people who paid IPL ticket money? Who cares.
but, but, it's for ESPORTS, support everyone guys!
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On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below Show nested quote +"Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/ipl not really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on.
Seems like they're going to compensate the non-refundable travel costs. That might mean postponement and not just cancellation. Or at least not the end for the IPL brand..
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On March 05 2013 05:08 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below "Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/iplnot really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on. Well, at least they are trying to get the tab on teams. Now those people who paid IPL ticket money? Who cares.
This happens all the time.
Sporting events, concerts, etc... Field gets rained out, sudden personal emergency, etc... Cancelling on ticket payers is not new if you've ever done things outside of your computer.
The problem arises with purchased tickets.... hotel reservations, etc... Those hurt.
Not that IGN can do anything about that--but with such a niche market its a bit more painful when things like this happens.
For example, lets say the World Series game seven gets rained out--the world series has so much social capital that comes with it that its more forgivable when things like that happen because people know that it will just be rescheduled because people know that it *will* have financial support. Sometimes deals are made, some level of compensation (discount on future tickets, free tickets to such and such games, etc...)
But IPL getting cancelled because it lost company support? That's a bitter pill to swallow.
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I dont understand why they would refund travel costs to EVERYBODY instead of just doing the event, surely its a bigger loss to cancel and refund everything after so much already happened.
If they only refund travel costs to the teams, well, thats a dick move to however many thousands of people.
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On March 05 2013 05:21 Cyro wrote:
I dont understand why they would refund travel costs to EVERYBODY instead of just doing the event, surely its a bigger loss to cancel and refund everything after so much already happened.
If they only refund travel costs to the teams, well, thats a dick move to however many thousands of people.
..which probably is a none too subtle hint as to how much the new IGN wants to invest in esports in the future. They simply don't give a damn.
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On March 05 2013 05:31 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:21 Cyro wrote:
I dont understand why they would refund travel costs to EVERYBODY instead of just doing the event, surely its a bigger loss to cancel and refund everything after so much already happened.
If they only refund travel costs to the teams, well, thats a dick move to however many thousands of people. ..which probably is a none too subtle hint as to how much the new IGN wants to invest in esports in the future. They simply don't give a damn.
So many assumptions.
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On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below Show nested quote +"Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/ipl not really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on.
This is actually great news. If IPL would dissolve it means that the company would be bancrupt and no longer exist hence IPL would have no reason to reimburse people back for any non-refundable cost. No company who has ceased operations has ever payed people back their expenses, such as travels nor does the law force them to.
If anything this more shows signs of them postponing the league and trying to give people back their money for those who will not be able to attend a later date or feel that the company let them down. This is more a way of showing good will and the only reason behind it is if IPL as a company still exists. If they would had dissolved than this move would make zero sense.
Again, i this is true then it looks like IPL will be okay.
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Maybe a controversial opinion, but i would very much like to see ipl6 hyped up as much as possible to force some kind of response. It's innocent as long as for all we officially know, there's nothing wrong with the event and it will be occuring as planned
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On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers.
The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did.
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On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did.
You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co.
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For those complaining about not being able to refund tickets for the event specifically, those are handled by the cosmopolitan and theyve already said that they (the cosmo) will refund the tickets if the event is cancelled.
It seems at least that everyone that either qualified, was invited, or is in the open hots bracket received this email. It is definitly better than no news, but still leaves a lot of issues open. The email does not say that the event is either cancelled or postponed. Though it is looking like it is postponed. Though ign isnt saying to straight up cancel plans either. Though it looks like they are preparing to refund some travel arrangements or at least trying to gauge how much it would cost to refund travel.
It really still looks like they havent decided to cancel or postpone yet. If they had decided at this point, there would be no reason to not include it in the email.
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On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:
So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well.
Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers.
That's a terrible way to view it from a business perspective, and I understand that you don't really care about that. There could be a number of valid legal, business, or other logistical issues that are conspiring to force IPL to potentially cancel this event. That being said, announcing to the public that the event may not happen because of whatever the issue is, is incredibly bad for business.
If it turns out that they're actually able to put on the event, they would have lost a lot of spectators, potential top-flight players who cancelled their plans, and other viewership because of the bad press initiated by admitting to issues. It certainly doesn't help that one of their staff has leaked information about it potentially not happening.
That being said, the issues must still be unresolved/ongoing, or there would have been an official announcement by now. I realize we live in an entitled generation and any "withheld" information seems nefarious, but if there was a legitimate and inevitable cancellation, there would have been something announced by now. I just hope they resolve/conclude whatever issues they're experiencing before too many people cancel or don't cancel their travel plans.
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On March 05 2013 05:44 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:41 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 05:03 crms wrote:On March 05 2013 03:29 Doodsmack wrote:On March 05 2013 03:18 crms wrote:
IPL really needs to make a statement one way or the other. It's incredibly poor taste that they won't speak on the issue when so many people are involved and stand to lose money. Don't have enough information to know what's going on behind the scenes/the complexity of the business decisions/whose fault it is that no statement has been made/whether there are legal reasons not to make a statement right now ---> Pass judgment on a specific party anyway ---> Fun times in the SC2 community So you think this is being handled well? I don't care who is at fault. When members within your team are 'leaking' the event is cancelled in hopes to warn people to cancel plans before it's too late and IGN and IPL refuse to comment when the story of the event being cancelled breaks, you know things aren't going well. Nobody (consumers) cares about the innerworkings, the 'complexity of business decisions' or 'who is at fault' they want to know if they just wasted hundreds or thousands of previously refundable dollars because IGN was sitting on their thumbs instead of releasing a statement to their customers. The question is whether you should lay the blame on a specific party (IPL), without knowing whether that party is to blame. Which is what you did. You don't seem to get it. Consumers who bought tickets, hotel reservations and made plans DON'T CARE who is at fault. Somebody, IGN, IPL, ZD, doesn't matter, needs to come forward. Because this is an IPL event they will take the brunt of the criticism first, and that's entirely reasonable. You're splitting hairs about something that is insignificant to the people who stand to lose hundreds or thousands of dollars because of the inaction taking place by IPL and co.
If people really dont care who's to blame, and they dont know who's to blame, its not reasonable to blame someone anyway. I'm just saying dont vent your anger on IPL purely for the sake of venting anger. You specifically blamed IPL, after all.
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On March 05 2013 05:37 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:00 KiF1rE wrote:for those that dont check reddit.... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/19nkxm/ipl6_email_to_players_team_mangers_potentially/also quoted below "Hello, This email is being sent to team managers and players alike. If you are a team manager, assume the responsibility for your players in answering this email. The purpose of this message is to determine how many of you have booked travel for IPL6. If you HAVE booked travel for IPL6, please inform me of all your non-refundable travel costs, and attach all relevant receipts for the travel. Please do this as soon as possible. Thank you. 안녕하세요, 이 이메일은 팀 메니저들과 선수들 모두에게 보냅니다. 만약 팀 매니져이시면, 이 이메일에 대표하는 선수들을 대신하여 답장을 보내주세요. 이 메시지의 목적은 여러분들 중에 몇 명이 아이피엘6 비행기를 벌써 예약했는지 알기 위해서입니다. 만약 이미 아이피엘6 비행기를 예약하셨으면, 환불 불가능한 여비를 알려주시고, 모든 영수증을 첨부하여 보내주십시요. 신속히 답장하시면 매우 감사하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Frank Fields StarCraft II Division Manager IGN Entertainment, eSports Division XXX.XXX.XXXX http://www.ign.com/iplnot really a big update, but its the first sign of communication of something that is going on. This is actually great news. If IPL would dissolve it means that the company would be bancrupt and no longer exist hence IPL would have no reason to reimburse people back for any non-refundable cost. No company who has ceased operations has ever payed people back their expenses, such as travels nor does the law force them to. If anything this more shows signs of them postponing the league and trying to give people back their money for those who will not be able to attend a later date or feel that the company let them down. This is more a way of showing good will and the only reason behind it is if IPL as a company still exists. If they would had dissolved than this move would make zero sense. Again, i this is true then it looks like IPL will be okay.
This actually depends if it is a stock company or not, at least in Sweden if a stock company goes bankrupt none gets anything back because it is considered a legal person or legal entity while a private company the owner holds all responsibility.
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Dang, looking more and more like it is indeed canceled. I suppose that was to be expected when there are so many great competitors in such a small market. IPL was producing high quality, highly professional content... not enough.
I really hope IPL can somehow live on. And if it doesn't, let's hope their best employees find great new homes in the e-sports industry.
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