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Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO.
Every time i opened it in like the last 6 months it was just transcoded 480p, rerunning something for the third or fourth time..
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The fact that IPL did not comment instead of saying "No there will be a tournament" is what scares me.
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On March 01 2013 22:48 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO. no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest
It's more that IGN got sold and they are scaling back, which means IPL is as well until they get a new buyer. IGN was owned by News Corp and without that backing, IPL likely lack the liquid cash to run large events. It is the way of he world.
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On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way.
I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
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-> ppl buy airline tickets
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This is a big blow to the scene. IPL were major players in the Foreign Tournaments scene. Them going down represents a massive contraction of the SC2 scene. Less prize money, less exposure for players and sponsors, less chance for fans to pay money to supporting a big SC2 tournament, less discussion and hype about it on places like TL. IPL5 seemed like such an extravaganza with the GSL plus World vs Korean teams etc. And now cancelled?
I hope that the new owners of IGN will not the end the IPL tournaments entirely and that this cancellation will just be for now while they reassess the company direction.
A lot of people are potentially gonna be out of pocket with flights/accommodation/vacation booked all now wasted. Bad news all around.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:48 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:42 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... so the source of IPL bleeding money is... you. State of the Game also backed that up as well. From reports, only the last IPL was profitable and the time in between each event likely wasn’t pulling in enough money. Running that damn stream 24/7 reruns was a terrible idea, IMO. no one makes money in esports, it's been said over and over, but when you claim they are bleeding money you are also saying they're losing more than the rest It's more that IGN got sold and they are scaling back, which means IPL is as well until they get a new buyer. IGN was owned by News Corp and without that backing, IPL likely lack the liquid cash to run large events. It is the way of he world.
Then I guess they have already come to the conclusion that they are going to lose money with IPL 6 or they´ve overspend again. Otherwise it wouldn´t make much sense, not so close to the actual event. And that again would be pretty stupid, because IPL should have had a good amount of experience how much money they need and if they can justify it. I would be very interested how this pans out and why it was cancelled. The new buyer would be an easy target, but not informing the people involved or the community about it would hurt the IPL brand a lot if this is not communicated well. They need to provide an answer fast.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event.
To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2.
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would be epic if ipl could find a last minute saviour so the tourney can still take place, let blizzard themself step in and make the tournament hots, i want some good news or a hug please
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This is a major bummer if IPL doesn't happen. 
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Why does news like this choose to 'break' in the middle of the night when no one will be around to officially comment on it for 10-12 hours????
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On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2.
IPL7? You mean IPL6. If IPL6 is cancelled, the next event from IPL would still be IPL6. Or was that a typing mistake?
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On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2.
The problem with cancelling an event like this relatively close to its actual starting date is that it screws over a lot of people that had booked flights and/or hotels already. Such a move will severely damage the image of the IPL brand and will make finding a good buyer for the brand / organisation a lot harder. If you screw over one of your main sources of income (people visiting the venue during the event), what's that going to do for your profitability in the future?
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On March 01 2013 23:11 Jeffhesser wrote:
Why does news like this choose to 'break' in the middle of the night when no one will be around to officially comment on it for 10-12 hours????
Timezones
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On March 01 2013 22:54 ODKStevez wrote:
The fact that IPL did not comment instead of saying "No there will be a tournament" is what scares me.
I agree. You'd think that IPL/ IGN would comment immediately and quell the rumors and discussions and controversy; I don't really see this as good publicity for them.
Regardless, I hope we get an official announcement from them soon!
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On March 01 2013 23:13 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2. The problem with cancelling an event like this relatively close to its actual starting date is that it screws over a lot of people that had booked flights and/or hotels already. Such a move will severely damage the image of the IPL brand and will make finding a good buyer for the brand / organisation a lot harder. If you screw over one of your main sources of income (people visiting the venue during the event), what's that going to do for your profitability in the future?
Yeah, I think they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They likely had this event set up before the sale of IGN and once that happened, it cause them to have to look for other money to fund the event. They likely had money invested in the venue, hotels and airfare, so they are trying to keep it going. At times like these, there are no good choices. So they are trying to pick the best, bad choice.
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On March 01 2013 23:12 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2. IPL7? You mean IPL6. If IPL6 is cancelled, the next event from IPL would still be IPL6. Or was that a typing mistake?
I mean they aren't going to bet the farm on IPL6 and hope that the profits from that will carry them all the way to IPL7.
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On March 01 2013 23:21 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 23:12 iSunrise wrote:On March 01 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:
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I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion. Artosis said it best on SotG when he said “how can you have an opinion that’s so wrong. Opinions aren’t supposed to wrong.” The sale of IGN has nothing to do with SC2, but more that News Corp was looking to unload an unsuccessful site that was getting its lunch eaten by Giant Bomb, Game Spot and newcomers like Total Biscuit. Because IGN was sold, IPL now was in a place where they might not have funding for a while, so they needed to pull back on their events until they found a buyer/sponsor. The number of views on SC2 has nothing to do with any of those events. Even if 200K people watch IPL6, they might not have a buyer to help them run the next event or cover the cost of their employees until they run that event. To put it another way, IPL was put in a place where they didn’t know if any more money would be coming beyond what they had. So they are forced to go responsible route and decided not to bet all of it on a single event and hope that it was profitable enough to get them to IPL7. You don’t bet the entire business on one event, that is a terrible plan. But none of it has anything to do with SC2. IPL7? You mean IPL6. If IPL6 is cancelled, the next event from IPL would still be IPL6. Or was that a typing mistake? I mean they aren't going to bet the farm on IPL6 and hope that the profits from that will carry them all the way to IPL7.
hehehe, IPL and profits in the same sentence
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IPL was justified because it was basically written off as a marketing expense. There were hopes that it could become profitable, but in the meantime, it was considered nothing more than a marketing expense by IGN. Now that IGN is sold/being sold/whatever, the new company probably does not want that extra marketing expense regardless if it is or is not creating traffic to their websites.
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On March 01 2013 22:57 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 22:49 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:46 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On March 01 2013 22:34 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:27 nkr wrote:On March 01 2013 22:25 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 01 2013 22:16 Derez wrote:
Would have been a disaster in viewership numbers anyway with HotS out. That said, cancelling a tournament ruins IPL's name and is going to make it much harder to sell as a recognized 'brand'. I don't think anyone wanted to buy it regardless. I mean, even if you were interested in investing in an esports tournament like IPL, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy one that is bleeding money, plus, why not just make your own? Where did you read that IPL was bleeding money? My brain. The viewer numbers for IPL sc2 are lower than a lot of player streams themselves (note, I'm not talking about the finals that take place in Las Vegas, just the regular online stream). There is just no way they're recouping costs with such a small amount of viewers.... Then, of course, there is the common sense argument, who is going to sell something that makes them profit? IPL is not going to come out and straight up say, "hey we're a giant money pit!!!!". Especially when they're trying to sell it off. On a side note, I'm not getting pulled into this argument again, sorry. If you can't see the obvious.... They also overspent on a couple of events, including hiring a pretty high end production crew for a couple of events. Unlike some of the other leagues which have had a slow ramp up, IPL threw down pretty hard, making deal with GOM and running their events in Vegas. Its is sad, but this was always going to happen to one of the major leagues in SC2. Someone was always going to bite off more they can could chew and be forced to get smaller or go under. Personally, I am happy that MLG and NASL are the ones that made it, because I have always enjoyed their stuff more. NASL looks like the league that could become the NA GSL if they get large enough to get a studio to run games and have an audience. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the guys that were relentlessly attacking me on a personal level in the other IPL-doom-and-gloom thread? Singing a different tune now, eh? I was attacking you because you lacked factual information and were working for inference and your own personal thoughts. You were also attempting to make the SC2 is dying argument, which always gets me into rage mode because it so dumb. Now that there is overwhelming evidence that IPL is scaling back, I will say you inferred correctly. But they shutting down has nothing to do with SC2 in any way. I don't see how you can't connect SC2 to IPL's dying. If the games being played were good enough, people would watch and stay invested. Again, just common sense on my part, go ahead and attack me some more for expressing my opinion.
What's so obnoxious about you is that your reasoning is so speculative, and now you think this news has confirmed that reasoning. However as an outsider you don't have enough information to know the reason for a cancellation. For example given that IPL5 was profitable its plausible that Ziff still expected IPL6 to be profitable. We don't know either way. For you to deduce from a sale that the unit did not have near-future profitability potential is to throw a guess out. Business is more complex than your simplistic inference makes it out to be.
Put simply, sound logical reasoning dictates that you could be right but also could be wrong.
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