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On February 06 2018 01:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered. yeah that's what it is. He's running for a seat that he (or any other Republican) has almost no chance at winning even if they were decent. And because there's no chance in winning the seat he happens to be the only Republican running for it while the 2 Democracts also running for it will decide who wins between themselves more or less. That being said, I don't understand how he can run as GOP if the GOP doesn't want him. Can't they just kick him out of the party so that he has to run as 3rd party or some crap like that? Can anyone just sign up as "running for GOP" (or Democrat for that matter) without the parties having any say in it whatsoever?
I don't think they can. In Illinois, if you can get 0.5% of the Republicans/Democrats in the district to sign your form you get on the ballot for the party. I am not sure there's any legal way to disown someone who meets that threshold if there's no opposition when it comes to a House election, since it's a question of both state law and the party.
It's kind of like how the GOP couldn't force Roy Moore to pull his name off the ballot even if they wanted to, it's a question of law.
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On February 06 2018 01:49 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:42 brian wrote:
bigotry begets bigotry. when you run a campaign of racist immigration politics it should not come as a surprise when racists identify as proud republicans.
the GOP not even trying to put him down only further validates his position. if it’s not an endorsement it’s at least condoning it. This Vietnam veteran has been voting 90% Republican for presumably a while longer than Trump's breakthrough. And he's been running for the House since 2012 as well. Show nested quote +The Republican Party publicly opposes Jones’s candidacy: “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District,” said party chair Tim Schneider in a statement to the Sun-Times. Show nested quote +“I’m sorry I voted for the son of a bitch, I really am,” said Art Jones, who the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a Holocaust denier who has been dressing in Nazi garb and celebrating Hitler since the 1970s.
“I’m sorry I spent $180 out of my own pocket to buy three big banners that said, ‘President Trump, build the wall’,” the blazer-clad Jones said, to a tent full of about 100 men, some of whom wore paramilitary-style uniforms. “Now he says, ‘Eh, what wall?’ I’m embarrassed that I voted for him.”
Jones blamed Trump’s failures on the “Jewish lobby” and the president’s son-in-law and aide, Jared Kushner, who is Jewish.
“If I could take the vote back,” he said. “I would.”
thanks, that was already clear. And yet the GOP has chosen to let him run unopposed, further validating his position, as i stated. i did edit in, before you posted, to make it clearer that it literally wasn’t an endorsement, i had worded that poorly. that’s on me though, i find i have a harder time posting on mobile.
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On February 06 2018 01:52 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:49 oBlade wrote:On February 06 2018 01:42 brian wrote:
bigotry begets bigotry. when you run a campaign of racist immigration politics it should not come as a surprise when racists identify as proud republicans.
the GOP not even trying to put him down only further validates his position. if it’s not an endorsement it’s at least condoning it. This Vietnam veteran has been voting 90% Republican for presumably a while longer than Trump's breakthrough. And he's been running for the House since 2012 as well. The Republican Party publicly opposes Jones’s candidacy: “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District,” said party chair Tim Schneider in a statement to the Sun-Times. “I’m sorry I voted for the son of a bitch, I really am,” said Art Jones, who the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a Holocaust denier who has been dressing in Nazi garb and celebrating Hitler since the 1970s.
“I’m sorry I spent $180 out of my own pocket to buy three big banners that said, ‘President Trump, build the wall’,” the blazer-clad Jones said, to a tent full of about 100 men, some of whom wore paramilitary-style uniforms. “Now he says, ‘Eh, what wall?’ I’m embarrassed that I voted for him.”
Jones blamed Trump’s failures on the “Jewish lobby” and the president’s son-in-law and aide, Jared Kushner, who is Jewish.
“If I could take the vote back,” he said. “I would.” thanks, that was already clear. And yet the GOP has chosen to let him run unopposed, further validating his position, as i stated.
What if they straight up couldn’t find anyone? That is entirely possible.
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On February 06 2018 01:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:52 brian wrote:On February 06 2018 01:49 oBlade wrote:On February 06 2018 01:42 brian wrote:
bigotry begets bigotry. when you run a campaign of racist immigration politics it should not come as a surprise when racists identify as proud republicans.
the GOP not even trying to put him down only further validates his position. if it’s not an endorsement it’s at least condoning it. This Vietnam veteran has been voting 90% Republican for presumably a while longer than Trump's breakthrough. And he's been running for the House since 2012 as well. The Republican Party publicly opposes Jones’s candidacy: “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District,” said party chair Tim Schneider in a statement to the Sun-Times. “I’m sorry I voted for the son of a bitch, I really am,” said Art Jones, who the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a Holocaust denier who has been dressing in Nazi garb and celebrating Hitler since the 1970s.
“I’m sorry I spent $180 out of my own pocket to buy three big banners that said, ‘President Trump, build the wall’,” the blazer-clad Jones said, to a tent full of about 100 men, some of whom wore paramilitary-style uniforms. “Now he says, ‘Eh, what wall?’ I’m embarrassed that I voted for him.”
Jones blamed Trump’s failures on the “Jewish lobby” and the president’s son-in-law and aide, Jared Kushner, who is Jewish.
“If I could take the vote back,” he said. “I would.” thanks, that was already clear. And yet the GOP has chosen to let him run unopposed, further validating his position, as i stated. What if they straight up couldn’t find anyone? That is entirely possible.
Then they didn’t look hard enough? Someone should be stepping in to take one for the team here. having an avowed, loud, proud, racist and anti semite on a ballot for congress is a national embarrassment.
On February 06 2018 01:57 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Yeah, I'm not keen on criticizing the local Republicans who have publicly said they oppose him for not forcing someone to grab the signatures and then run a fake candidacy against someone who would actually be spending his money and soliciting votes.
Especially when they've actively tried to stop him legally every year for the past five years.
i do understand, but just disagree. and i disagree with calling it fake. he’s running a very real campaign as a proud nazi for congress. someone can go ahead and do whatever minimal work he’s capable of to at least hold onto some dignity.
i don’t mean to suggest this’ll keep anyone up at night or is even top 50 worst things to happen to the GOP this year(the night is still young.) i’m just saying there’s a bare minimum amount of effort to put into running the country and i think this is below it..
your moore comparison is not perfectly analogous, he was not known to be a proud child molestor before winning the primary. in the spirit of not making this a bigger deal than it is i’ll leave it as little more than a mild disappointment.
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Yeah, I'm not keen on criticizing the local Republicans who have publicly said they oppose him for not forcing someone with no interest in the position to grab the signatures and then run a fake candidacy against someone who would actually be spending his money and soliciting votes.
Especially when they've actively tried to stop him legally every year for the past five years.
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On February 06 2018 01:51 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:41 Toadesstern wrote:On February 06 2018 01:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered. yeah that's what it is. He's running for a seat that he (or any other Republican) has almost no chance at winning even if they were decent. And because there's no chance in winning the seat he happens to be the only Republican running for it while the 2 Democracts also running for it will decide who wins between themselves more or less. That being said, I don't understand how he can run as GOP if the GOP doesn't want him. Can't they just kick him out of the party so that he has to run as 3rd party or some crap like that? Can anyone just sign up as "running for GOP" (or Democrat for that matter) without the parties having any say in it whatsoever? I don't think they can. In Illinois, if you can get 0.5% of the Republicans/Democrats in the district to sign your form you get on the ballot for the party. I am not sure there's any legal way to disown someone who meets that threshold if there's no opposition when it comes to a House election, since it's a question of both state law and the party. It's kind of like how the GOP couldn't force Roy Moore to pull his name off the ballot even if they wanted to, it's a question of law.
Yeah they can't stop him from getting on the ballot; that's really not too much of an issue as it's a good thing from the system.
The problem is they can't be bothered to get someone else to get on the ballot to oppose him. It's not worth their time to keep a nazi from representing their party (locally) in the upcoming election.
On February 06 2018 01:57 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Yeah, I'm not keen on criticizing the local Republicans who have publicly said they oppose him for not forcing someone with no interest in the position to grab the signatures and then run a fake candidacy against someone who would actually be spending his money and soliciting votes.
Especially when they've actively tried to stop him legally every year for the past five years.
I am totally ok with that criticism. It's a nazi and you couldn't be bothered to oppose him.
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Running for local schoolboard destroys your life for months. Running for election in a hopeless district against a Nazi with a 0% chance of winning destroys your life potentially forever.
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On February 06 2018 02:01 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Running for local schoolboard destroys your life for months. Running for election in a hopeless district against a Nazi with a 0% chance of winning destroys your life potentially forever.
But it keeps a nazi from running and keeps a nazi from being the face of your local branch of the party. It could also mean Republicans are more likely to bother to show up and vote if they have someone to vote for at that level rather than a nazi which may not matter for that race, but could down ballot.
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Or they could just support the local democrat. That sounds like a much healthier.
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On February 06 2018 02:10 Plansix wrote:
Or they could just support the local democrat. That sounds like a much healthier.
I suppose, but I'd hope a major political party has a better plan than, "We do the absolute bare minimum to keep nazi's out of power"
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I don't think you can ask someone to quit their job (or lie to the state government about quitting their job) and destroy their life when it doesn't do much if anything to improve things from an objective standpoint, but that's just me.
It would be pretty cool if someone did that. But this isn't even like throwing yourself in front of a trolley to save two people, it's like throwing yourself in front of a trolley to make it so the trolley doesn't make it to the station on time when it's already running late.
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On February 06 2018 01:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered. yeah that's what it is. He's running for a seat that he (or any other Republican) has almost no chance at winning even if they were decent. And because there's no chance in winning the seat he happens to be the only Republican running for it while the 2 Democracts also running for it will decide who wins between themselves more or less. That being said, I don't understand how he can run as GOP if the GOP doesn't want him. Can't they just kick him out of the party so that he has to run as 3rd party or some crap like that? Can anyone just sign up as "running for GOP" (or Democrat for that matter) without the parties having any say in it whatsoever?
The US system doesn't work quite like those in the EU do. The parties have little control over who runs for them.
Remember the GOP didn't want Trump and the DNC didn't want Bernie.
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On February 06 2018 02:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think you should ask someone to quit their job (or lie to the state government about quitting their job) and destroy their life when it doesn't do much if anything to improve things from an objective standpoint, but that's just me.
I would actually more of hope that someone was willing to do it- without asking- on principle of opposing a nazi.
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On February 06 2018 02:19 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 02:10 Plansix wrote:
Or they could just support the local democrat. That sounds like a much healthier. I suppose, but I'd hope a major political party has a better plan than, "We do the absolute bare minimum to keep nazi's out of power"
I am willing to accept that Nazis exist in this modern era and sometimes will have a shot at power. The best way to combat that for both parties to oppose the Nazi winning the election. It was a bipartisan effort the first time, so just keep that trend.
Edit: Also, the political parties in the US only exist to put up nominees for president. And it used to be a much more tortured process before the primary system was created. Though this most recent primary season has made me rethink the merits of the parties picking their candidate.
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On February 06 2018 02:22 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 02:21 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think you should ask someone to quit their job (or lie to the state government about quitting their job) and destroy their life when it doesn't do much if anything to improve things from an objective standpoint, but that's just me. I would actually more of hope that someone was willing to do it- without asking- on principle of opposing a nazi.
So if a Nazi got on the ballot unopposed in your party where you lived, you would destroy your life running against him when he had a 0% chance to win? It's just a matter of what he and the people he gets to sign are registered as, after all, from a theoretical standpoint you could abuse this in safe GOP districts so it's party agnostic.
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ok i’ll bite, why do you continually suggest one has to quit their job and ruin their life to put their name on a ballot? we’ve already agreed this is a pointless and hollow campaign, yes?
i would do the work for the signatures and spend a few hundred bucks on flyers saying ‘i’m running because the other guy is a nazi’ and call it a day, sure. though it seems like you’ve got the better idea on what’s what. i’m really only expecting a symbolic gesture here. again, while not a big deal, i just find this to be below the minimum effort of a national political party. it just reflects poorly, whether they asked for it or not.
giving people like him an inch of validation is just poor business. open recruitment season.
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Also if this guy wins the primary won't he be given access to a lot of GOP data and information on the people living in that district (i.e voter email lists) and potentially connections to wealthy donors which may not win him the race, but could further any other ideas he may have.
It's not like he gets *nothing* from winning the primary.
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On February 06 2018 02:43 Logo wrote:
Also if this guy wins the primary won't he be given access to a lot of GOP data and information on the people living in that district (i.e voter email lists) and potentially connections to wealthy donors which may not win him the race, but could further any other ideas he may have.
It's not like he gets *nothing* from winning the primary.
I am not sure a party HAS to support you if you win its primary. They can tell you to fuck off and enjoy running with the R/D
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On February 06 2018 02:36 brian wrote:
ok i’ll bite, why do you continually suggest one has to quit their job and ruin their life to put their name on a ballot? we’ve already agreed this is a pointless and hollow campaign, yes?
i would do the work for the signatures and spend a few hundred bucks on flyers saying ‘i’m running because the other guy is a nazi’ and call it a day, sure. though it seems like you’ve got the better idea on what’s what. i’m really only expecting a symbolic gesture here. again, while not a big deal, i just find this to be below the minimum effort of a national political party.
First, a few hundred bucks of flyers is unlikely to beat out a candidate who is going to be actively campaigning (even if he is a Nazi). There are primary debates and other events that you are going to be pretty much forced to attend if you want to actually stop him from winning the primary.
Second, I'm not sure if it's legal to run for a position under false pretenses (and if you aren't quitting your job and preparing to move to the capital, you're running under false pretenses). If it becomes a real campaign, he can (rightly) point out that you're a lying sack of shit who isn't actually interested in being a U.S. representative. This plays really really badly with people! Maybe better than Nazi-ism, but possibly more illegal.
On February 06 2018 02:47 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 02:43 Logo wrote:
Also if this guy wins the primary won't he be given access to a lot of GOP data and information on the people living in that district (i.e voter email lists) and potentially connections to wealthy donors which may not win him the race, but could further any other ideas he may have.
It's not like he gets *nothing* from winning the primary. I am not sure a party HAS to support you if you win its primary. They can tell you to fuck off and enjoy running with the R/D
Yup. The RNC did exactly this with Roy Moore. The state Republican Party is under no obligation to share information with him just because his name is on the ballot with an R next to it.
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On February 06 2018 02:50 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 02:36 brian wrote:
ok i’ll bite, why do you continually suggest one has to quit their job and ruin their life to put their name on a ballot? we’ve already agreed this is a pointless and hollow campaign, yes?
i would do the work for the signatures and spend a few hundred bucks on flyers saying ‘i’m running because the other guy is a nazi’ and call it a day, sure. though it seems like you’ve got the better idea on what’s what. i’m really only expecting a symbolic gesture here. again, while not a big deal, i just find this to be below the minimum effort of a national political party. First, a few hundred bucks of flyers is unlikely to beat out a candidate who is going to be actively campaigning (even if he is a Nazi). There are primary debates and other events that you are going to be pretty much forced to attend if you want to actually stop him from winning the primary. Second, I'm not sure if it's legal to run for a position under false pretenses (and if you aren't quitting your job and preparing to move to the capital, you're running under false pretenses). If it becomes a real campaign, he can (rightly) point out that you're a lying sack of shit who isn't actually interested in being a U.S. representative. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 02:47 IyMoon wrote:On February 06 2018 02:43 Logo wrote:
Also if this guy wins the primary won't he be given access to a lot of GOP data and information on the people living in that district (i.e voter email lists) and potentially connections to wealthy donors which may not win him the race, but could further any other ideas he may have.
It's not like he gets *nothing* from winning the primary. I am not sure a party HAS to support you if you win its primary. They can tell you to fuck off and enjoy running with the R/D Yup. The RNC did exactly this with Roy Moore. The state Republican Party is under no obligation to share information with him just because his name is on the ballot with an R next to it.
In all fairness, I think a lot of people vote for the lying sack of shit over the Nazi
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