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I’m going to put something crazy out there folks: The commercial isn’t what people are objecting to. It is the underlying problems that the commercial touched upon, taking the discussion of civil rights and sanding off the edges until it is so inoffensive that it can sell trucks.
Also:
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On February 05 2018 23:19 Plansix wrote:I’m going to put something crazy out there folks: The commercial isn’t what people are objecting to. It is the underlying problems that the commercial touched upon, taking the discussion of civil rights and sanding off the edges until it is so inoffensive that it can sell trucks. Also: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/960468106169716737
It also seems really tone deaf for this year in particular. "Hey we will blacklist you for standing up for black rights, but in return you get to see a cultural icon do the opposite of what he believed in, so like it's all good right? Thanks for taking politics out of this game, now enjoy these close ups of military troops."
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On February 05 2018 23:31 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2018 23:19 Plansix wrote:I’m going to put something crazy out there folks: The commercial isn’t what people are objecting to. It is the underlying problems that the commercial touched upon, taking the discussion of civil rights and sanding off the edges until it is so inoffensive that it can sell trucks. Also: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/960468106169716737 It also seems really tone deaf for this year in particular. "Hey we will blacklist you for standing up for black rights, but in return you get to see a cultural icon do the opposite of what he believed in, so like it's all good right? Thanks for taking politics out of this game, now enjoy these close ups of military troops."
As was repeatedly said back then. Its not about keeping politics out of sports. Just the wrong kind of politics (aka anything I disagree with)
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My father is a die hard football fan and even he had a tough time dealing with the whole Take Boat Loads of Money from the US Army but players best not protest. That ad did not play well with him either.
Edit: Nunes was just quoted as saying Papadopoulos never meet with the president. With my amazing investigation skills using google image search that this is false. The man is terrible at lying and his job.
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On February 05 2018 23:36 Plansix wrote:
My father is a die hard football fan and even he had a tough time dealing with the whole Take Boat Loads of Money from the US Army but players best not protest. That ad did not play well with him either.
Edit: Nunes was just quoted as saying Papadopoulos never meet with the president. With my amazing investigation skills using google image search that this is false. The man is terrible at lying and his job.
Nunes will spin it to mean a one on one meeting
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lol GOP keeping it classy:
Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
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sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com
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On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Show nested quote +Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
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Wait. an actual American Nazi? Jesus Christ.
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Glad to see America First is no longer ashamed of its past and returning to its roots. Trump really tried to water down their message in 2016.
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On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Show nested quote +Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com
To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election.
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"It's ok tho because I'm not literally rebuilding Nazi Germany here."
Seriously? This is not the kind of notch you Republicans want in your belt. Should mean an easy win for his opponent.
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The stark reality that political parties really have no control over who waves there banner.
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On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election.
Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered.
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I'm surprised they don't find someone else to run just to keep him from winning the primary by default.
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On February 06 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
The stark reality that political parties really have no control over who waves there banner.
Yeah but when you could literally just grab anyone and have them to submit the forms so they can appear on the ballot and win the primary by virtue of "not being a nazi" then uh you should probably do that.
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On February 06 2018 01:37 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
The stark reality that political parties really have no control over who waves there banner. Yeah but when you could literally just grab anyone and have them to submit the forms so they can appear on the ballot and win the primary by virtue of "not being a nazi" then uh you should probably do that.
You need to find someone willing to spend the time and energy to do that, not get paid and loose a general election down the line. The best the local GOP could do is come out saying they don’t support him and please support the democrat’s candidate in the upcoming election.
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On February 06 2018 01:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered.
yeah that's what it is.
He's running for a seat that he (or any other Republican) has almost no chance at winning even if they were decent.
And because there's no chance in winning the seat he happens to be the only Republican running for it while the 2 Democracts also running for it will decide who wins between themselves more or less.
That being said, I don't understand how he can run as GOP if the GOP doesn't want him. Can't they just kick him out of the party so that he has to run as 3rd party or some crap like that? Can anyone just sign up as "running for GOP" (or Democrat for that matter) without the parties having any say in it whatsoever?
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bigotry begets bigotry. when you run a campaign of racist immigration politics it should not come as a surprise when racists identify as proud republicans.
the GOP not even trying to put him down only further validates his position. while it’s clearly not an endorsement it’s at least condoning it.
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On February 06 2018 01:41 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 01:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On February 06 2018 01:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:On February 06 2018 01:19 Toadesstern wrote:lol GOP keeping it classy: Holocaust denier running for Congress has no opponents in Republican primary
Like most candidates running for Congress, Arthur Jones has a campaign website.
It outlines the Republican candidate’s educational background, stance on issues and how to donate to his campaign to represent Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District.
It also lays out Jones’s unapologetically racist and anti-Semitic views.
In a section called “Holocaust?” Jones describes the atrocities as a “racket” and “the biggest, blackest, lie in history.” Under another tab titled “Flags of Conflict,” he lists the Confederate flag first and describes it as “a symbol of White pride and White resistance” and “the flag of a White counter revolution.”
And in his most recent blog post — dated Aug. 24 — Jones rails against “Radical Leftists” and blames them for starting racial violence that had roiled Charlottesville about two weeks earlier. Heather Heyer, 32, a protester at a white supremacist rally, died after a driver rammed a car into a crowd of demonstrators. A self-professed neo-Nazi has been charged with first-degree murder in the incident. Jones painted the death as an accident.
Despite his views, Jones is all but certain to become the GOP nominee in one of Illinois’ most prominent congressional districts — one that includes parts of Chicago and several suburbs to the west and southwest. Jones is running unopposed in the Republican primary; the deadline for candidates to file was in early December.
His chances of winning the seat are extremely slim. The district is rated “safely Democratic,” according to Ballotpedia, and two Democrats are facing off: Marie Newman and incumbent Daniel Lipinski. An independent candidate, Mat Tomkowiak, withdrew from the race.
Still, even getting this far in the race is a new milestone for Jones. Over three decades, he has unsuccessfully thrown his hat into the ring for the 3rd District seat seven times, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
When Sun-Times reporter Frank Main drove to Lyons, Ill., to track down Jones, the candidate was no less vocal about his extreme views.
“Well first of all, I’m running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany, all right?” Jones told Main. “To me, the Holocaust is what I said it is: It’s an international extortion racket.”
Jones also told the newspaper that he was once a leader in the American Nazi Party and now leads the America First Committee — an organization whose membership “is open to any white American citizen of European, non-Jewish descent.”
[...] sry, forgot pasting source: www.washingtonpost.com To their credit, I think the local Republicans had been keeping this wacko from running in the district for years with various loopholes. This time he finally just checked all the legal boxes and they basically can't legally stop him from running, and no one else is willing to 100% lose an election. Ah, that makes a lot more sense. The way the article phrased it made it sound like Jones defeated some people, but it makes sense if no one bothered. yeah that's what it is. He's running for a seat that he (or any other Republican) has almost no chance at winning even if they were decent. And because there's no chance in winning the seat he happens to be the only Republican running for it while the 2 Democracts also running for it will decide who wins between themselves more or less. That being said, I don't understand how he can run as GOP if the GOP doesn't want him. Can't say just kick him out of the party so that he has to run as 3rd party or some crap like that? Can anyone just sign up as "running for GOP" (or Democrat for that matter) without the parties having any say in it whatsoever?
They cannot do this. The primary system in the US was created to let anyone run under any party they wanted. It is like the first round of elections, where the field gets narrowed to a representative from each party. This is further complicated that each state has its own rules and primaries and will NEVER standardized them.
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On February 06 2018 01:42 brian wrote:
bigotry begets bigotry. when you run a campaign of racist immigration politics it should not come as a surprise when racists identify as proud republicans.
the GOP not even trying to put him down only further validates his position. if it’s not an endorsement it’s at least condoning it.
This Vietnam veteran has been voting 90% Republican for presumably a while longer than Trump's breakthrough. And he's been running for the House since 2012 as well.
The Republican Party publicly opposes Jones’s candidacy: “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District,” said party chair Tim Schneider in a statement to the Sun-Times.
“I’m sorry I voted for the son of a bitch, I really am,” said Art Jones, who the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a Holocaust denier who has been dressing in Nazi garb and celebrating Hitler since the 1970s.
“I’m sorry I spent $180 out of my own pocket to buy three big banners that said, ‘President Trump, build the wall’,” the blazer-clad Jones said, to a tent full of about 100 men, some of whom wore paramilitary-style uniforms. “Now he says, ‘Eh, what wall?’ I’m embarrassed that I voted for him.”
Jones blamed Trump’s failures on the “Jewish lobby” and the president’s son-in-law and aide, Jared Kushner, who is Jewish.
“If I could take the vote back,” he said. “I would.”
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