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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 08 2017 16:44 GMT
#173841
So I just checked to see if my info was stolen from Equifax. It wasn't. I would have bet money that it was given all of the credit rating-related stuff that has gone on with me this year. I wonder how much info was actually stolen. It seems unlikely that it was the full 140+ million that was being reported yesterday if I'm not in that group.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:53:56
September 08 2017 16:50 GMT
#173842
On September 09 2017 01:44 xDaunt wrote:
So I just checked to see if my info was stolen from Equifax. It wasn't. I would have bet money that it was given all of the credit rating-related stuff that has gone on with me this year. I wonder how much info was actually stolen. It seems unlikely that it was the full 140+ million that was being reported yesterday if I'm not in that group.


Yeah I'm confused and how/what they lost... I haven't done anything with my credit rating in a few years but it claims I'm affected.

I really hope we get the sordid details about the breach, I want to know how they were storing the information, why (or why it wasn't salted & encrypted), and how and what was breached. I get they need SSN and PII to identify people for credit checks, but I don't see why there'd ever be a reason for them to need pull my SSN *out* of their systems.

I'd be really curious to see the agreement you sign when you agree to have your credit pulled. Does it include consent to store personal identifying information in their systems?

I think the most frustrating thing about this breach is that it's pretty much a non-optional part of life. Cars, Home, credit cards, even many apartment buildings all require that you opt into these services and unless you are fortunate enough to be able to buy a house for cash or are lucky enough to find apartments that don't run your credit your options aren't really options.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:54:54
September 08 2017 16:52 GMT
#173843
So hurricane Irma has the freakin' size of Ohio and with "7 trillion! watts of power Irma holds twice the power of all bombs dropped in WW2..."
That's some scary shit!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 16:53 GMT
#173844
The good news is that Jose seems to be swinging North...

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 16:56 GMT
#173845
On September 09 2017 01:50 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:44 xDaunt wrote:
So I just checked to see if my info was stolen from Equifax. It wasn't. I would have bet money that it was given all of the credit rating-related stuff that has gone on with me this year. I wonder how much info was actually stolen. It seems unlikely that it was the full 140+ million that was being reported yesterday if I'm not in that group.


Yeah I'm confused and how/what they lost... I haven't done anything with my credit rating in a few years but it claims I'm affected.

I think the most frustrating thing about this breach is that it's pretty much a non-optional part of life. Cars, Home, credit cards, even many apartment buildings all require that you opt into these services and unless you are fortunate enough to be able to buy a house for cash or are lucky enough to find apartments that don't run your credit your options aren't really options.

I'm convinced we are going to have a roll back to paper based records and less data base driven systems for things like financial and medical records. All of the courts in MA were moving toward more digital services, but now they are going right back to the "If you want it, drive to the court and pick it up" system. Even the online dockets have moved our attorneys signing there staff up for logins, rather than an open facing court docket.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 17:07:43
September 08 2017 17:01 GMT
#173846
On September 09 2017 01:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:50 Logo wrote:
On September 09 2017 01:44 xDaunt wrote:
So I just checked to see if my info was stolen from Equifax. It wasn't. I would have bet money that it was given all of the credit rating-related stuff that has gone on with me this year. I wonder how much info was actually stolen. It seems unlikely that it was the full 140+ million that was being reported yesterday if I'm not in that group.


Yeah I'm confused and how/what they lost... I haven't done anything with my credit rating in a few years but it claims I'm affected.

I think the most frustrating thing about this breach is that it's pretty much a non-optional part of life. Cars, Home, credit cards, even many apartment buildings all require that you opt into these services and unless you are fortunate enough to be able to buy a house for cash or are lucky enough to find apartments that don't run your credit your options aren't really options.

I'm convinced we are going to have a roll back to paper based records and less data base driven systems for things like financial and medical records. All of the courts in MA were moving toward more digital services, but now they are going right back to the "If you want it, drive to the court and pick it up" system. Even the online dockets have moved our attorneys signing there staff up for logins, rather than an open facing court docket.


So the NRA has just been trying to protect us from data breaches this whole time?

Also for some good news of the day!

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170906/13431338159/case-dismissed-judge-throws-out-shiva-ayyadurais-defamation-lawsuit-against-techdirt.shtml


As you likely know, for most of the past nine months, we've been dealing with a defamation lawsuit from Shiva Ayyadurai, who claims to have invented email. This is a claim that we have disputed at great length and in great detail, showing how email existed long before Ayyadurai wrote his program. We pointed to the well documented public history of email, and how basically all of the components that Ayyadurai now claims credit for preceded his own work. We discussed how his arguments were, at best, misleading, such as arguing that the copyright on his program proved that he was the "inventor of email" -- since patents and copyrights are very different, and just because Microsoft has a copyright on "Windows" it does not mean it "invented" the concept of a windowed graphical user interface (because it did not). As I have said, a case like this is extremely draining -- especially on an emotional level -- and can create massive chilling effects on free speech.

A few hours ago, the judge ruled and we prevailed. The case has been dismissed and the judge rejected Ayyadurai's request to file an amended complaint. We are certainly pleased with the decision and his analysis, which notes over and over again that everything that we stated was clearly protected speech, and the defamation (and other claims) had no merit. This is, clearly, a big win for the First Amendment and free speech -- especially the right to call out and criticize a public figure such as Shiva Ayyadurai, who is now running for the US Senate in Massachusetts. We're further happy to see the judge affirm that CDA Section 230 protects us from being sued over comments made on the blog, which cannot be attributed to us under the law. We talk a lot about the importance of CDA 230, in part because it protects sites like our own from these kinds of lawsuits. This is just one more reason we're so concerned about the latest attempt in Congress to undermine CDA 230. While those supporting the bill may claim that it only targets sites like Backpage, such changes to CDA 230 could have a much bigger impact on smaller sites like our own.


I can't wait until this asshole (Shiva) shows up to more events for his senate run espousing his support of free speech like the raging hypocrite he is.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 18:10:06
September 08 2017 17:06 GMT
#173847
On September 09 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The good news is that Jose seems to be swinging North...

https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/906188238322270208

Most highways in Florida seem to be gridlocked and gas stations are either packed with cars or all out.
You can call yorself lucky, if you manage to get to Georgia/Alabama without running out of gas at this point.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42558 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 17:09:05
September 08 2017 17:07 GMT
#173848
This needs a top down fix. SSNs are not secure and never have been. National IDs and a national credit bureau. Records accessed through two factor authentication requiring the physical presence of the ID and a passphrase. Online records accessed through two factor such as phone verification, plus the passphrase.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 17:14 GMT
#173849
On September 09 2017 02:07 KwarK wrote:
This needs a top down fix. SSNs are not secure and never have been. National IDs and a national credit bureau. Records accessed through two factor authentication requiring the physical presence of the ID and a passphrase. Online records accessed through two factor such as phone verification, plus the passphrase.

A national ID system would solve a lot of these problems. And 2 factor identification that required the interaction with a human. Software based solutions will never be sufficient.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
September 08 2017 17:16 GMT
#173850
On September 09 2017 02:07 KwarK wrote:
This needs a top down fix. SSNs are not secure and never have been. National IDs and a national credit bureau. Records accessed through two factor authentication requiring the physical presence of the ID and a passphrase. Online records accessed through two factor such as phone verification, plus the passphrase.

Yep, equifax and other credit reporting services make for a poor privately provided good for a host of reasons, utter lack of transparency and the practical involuntariness of the whole thing included.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 17:21:03
September 08 2017 17:20 GMT
#173851
On September 09 2017 01:24 KwarK wrote:
I believe you only waive your rights if you accept their credit monitoring service.

Also those forced arbitration laws get struck down all the time depending on what happened. In this case forced arbitration from a class action lawsuit is one of those cases. Just because you can write it doesn't make it legally binding. Companies write into their policies all the time shit that wont hold up in court because the lawyers writing it know people don't know that.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 17:40:29
September 08 2017 17:36 GMT
#173852
On September 08 2017 18:59 Kickboxer wrote:
Sorry for bringing this back, and I'm not gonna dwell on it either, just wanted to answer a couple of points since I went out last night.

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On September 08 2017 01:52 NewSunshine wrote:
A few questions. What do you think constitutes being "confused by their gender roles"? Is this a woman who didn't have the good sense to know her place and just watch the kids, or is this something else? Moreover, how does this directly link to having trouble in relationships? I for instance believe very little in gender roles, since it's a fluid concept to begin with, and I'm having no problems in my relationships/lack thereof. What in your mind equates the bucking of traditional gender roles with men and women hating each other? Without hearing further justification on these, it sounds to me like you're just walking away from these issues and adhering to stereotypes because it's easier, not necessarily because it's better. Am I wrong?


I find much of what we have come to think of as "stereotypes" is in fact better understood as "archetypes". Yes, gender roles are somewhat fluid, but to a far lesser degree than we've come to believe (based not on hard science either, but instead on purely theoretical fields like gender studies, which I'm personally certain to be as close to "fake science" as official academia has ever gotten - and this is not just my opinion. There's an academic war being waged right now between clinical / evolutionary psychologists and the genderbenders as we speak).

If you want a relationship between a man and a woman to be stable long-term, firstly, it's absolutely not "fun and games". Committed relationships take sacrifice and investment on both partners' end, in addition to certain specific personal traits, and are largely incompatible with the libertine and egotistical way we've come to raise young people of both genders. I can observe that those couples who have it easiest in this difficult process (I keep over-generalizing things for the sake of arguments. Yes, there are many outliers and exceptions to all of this) generally feature a rather traditionally masculine man, and a rather traditionally feminine (indeed, to some degree this means submissive) woman. So perhaps these are not social stereotypes, but rather biological archetypes we ought, if not aspire to, at least treat with some respect. For a funky pop-culture reference, see Lenny Kravitz's "American Woman"

Just think about your grandparents. I'm willing to bet they fit those boxes, and there's a high chance they've spent their entire life together and your parents have had a relatively harmonious and safe two-parental home to be raised in - a paramount privilege in life, and one we should strive to preserve as a society. Whether or not they were "happy" throughout this stretch is besides the point. Happiness is a relatively childish and vastly overrated existential category (certainly, chasing happiness, especially the capitalist-driven social-media-ego 'feelgood' happiness of our age hardly works for anyone, and is one of the major factors of depression and anxiety). What matters is whether they led a fulfilling family life and created a tightly knit functioning micro-society with familial patterns that can reciprocate throughout time, which strikes me as one of the great "quests" in life whose realization brings profound lasting satisfaction, i.e. the real type of "happiness".



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On September 08 2017 02:47 crms wrote:

Could you please explain this 'simple biology'?

As someone who went to school for evolutionary biology & anthropology I have no clue what you're talking about. The sexual escapades of women and how that is viewed is entirely socially constructed. You can see how females leverage promiscuity in a multitude of ways across a diverse amount of species including some of our closest living relatives like the bonobos. So unless you think human sexual activity is biologically unique, there is nothing biologically significant related to how many dudes a chick wants to bang and how fit that makes her.


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I'm not sure you are correct at all? Social constructivism as it applies to gender has been thoroughly disproven by now, and is absolutely dead in the water when it comes to hard science. Look up the Swedish studies on gender interests and inclinations, and how these express themselves once the societal factors have been equalized. They are very large, long-term, repeated and well cited studies that clearly show once you equalize the playing field, differences between men and women grow bigger rather than smaller, which can only be attributed to biological factors and flushes the entire social constructivist hypothesis down the toilet. Yes, I know 'gender studies' claim exactly the opposite is true, but the academic merits of this particular field are absolutely atrocious (non-repeateble "experiments", zero citations, idiot instruments such as "autoethnography", tremendous cherry-picking and distortion of facts, we can go on for a while).

Also, as far as I know, human females are extremely choosy partners compared to the "other" great apes? Chimpanzee and bonobo females will mate with any male that isn't physically prevented from boning them by the other males (talk about sex positive lol). In humans, the females pick their own mates selectively, based largely on their (perceived) socio-economic status, and this is posited to be the driver behind the entire competence hierarchy & arising competition among men.

Basically, female sexual selection is the primary motor of inter-male competition? We call this "hypergamy" - the propensity of human females to mate up and across dominance hierarchies, and the connected programming of men to want to climb those hierarchies in order to impress women. I know of no historical case where human females would leverage their promiscuity in any way? Can you name an example, apart from those few extremely exotic matriarchal societies where everyone parents children together?


I'm not sure you are correct at all? Social constructivism as it applies to gender has been thoroughly disproven by now, and is absolutely dead in the water when it comes to hard science. Look up the Swedish studies on gender interests and inclinations, and how these express themselves once the societal factors have been equalized. They are very large, long-term, repeated and well cited studies that clearly show once you equalize the playing field, differences between men and women grow bigger rather than smaller, which can only be attributed to biological factors and flushes the entire social constructivist hypothesis down the toilet. Yes, I know 'gender studies' claim exactly the opposite is true, but the academic merits of this particular field are absolutely atrocious (non-repeateble "experiments", zero citations, idiot instruments such as "autoethnography", tremendous cherry-picking and distortion of facts, we can go on for a while).


This section has nothing to do with any point I'm trying to make. I absolutely believe men and women are fundamentally different when it comes to biology. We're a sexually dimorphic species after all. If you think my post is in anyway making a claim that men and women are equal in all things all the time no matter what and it's only societal influence causing differences, you have me mistaken.

Perhaps we are speaking past each other, from what I gathered in your original post, you judge 'slutty' women based not on your bias towards a distaste of their behaviors but by something rooted in 'biology', which doesn't make sense as number of partners doesn't relate in anyway to biological fitness. Which was my point. A women with 5 or 50 partners will still be 'biologically' fit to reproduce. Therefor making the claim your judgement/stereotype of these women is sound because of biology doesn't really fly.

The rest of your post just sort of highlights how significant societal impact has on the perception of female promiscuity.

For instance, this quote,

In humans, the females pick their own mates selectively, based largely on their (perceived) socio-economic status

If you want to get raw on the biology, I'd love to see an argument that early homo sapien females roughly 180,000 years ago were being highly selective towards 'socio-economic status' lol. This is an easy thought experiment, go back to the origins of our species and with the best of our collective knowledge on primate behavior, apply your conclusion. You can see how silly it sounds. We may never know definitely how most social groups were organized in early modern humans but we have enough primate behavior data to make some educated guesses. Of course early women would want to 'choose' based on fitness, chance of survival, etc but conflating sexual selection in early women to the choice of modern women is absurd. So what changed in the last ~180,000 years? It's not our biology.

To be clear, I'm not saying you can't look at biological factors that are firmly cemented in our 'lizard brains'. We have a plethora of data on women's generic, on average preference towards certain 'masculine' qualities like voice, face shape, muscularity, perceived 'fitness' (in the biological sense) but that offers no real value to understanding societies perception on a womans sexual adventures. It should be painfully obvious that the key factor driving such stereotypes is in fact, society/culture. We can easily observe throughout history (even currently in real time depending on what part of the world you live in) how much of this perception has changed and will continue to change in the future, while our biology has not.


I don't wanna shit up the thread anymore with this so we can just move on or you can PM me if it's important. I think we might actually be on the same page overall, even if we disagree on our perceptions/judgments of sexual behavior.
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 08 2017 18:06 GMT
#173853
The attempt to discredit 'fake science' by calling on evolutionary psychology is pretty amusing. Evulationary psychology is the closest psychology's ever gotten to being a religion and given that it's the discipline of Freud, that's saying something.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 08 2017 18:11 GMT
#173854
so Voter Fraud commission doesn't understand NH voting laws.

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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
September 08 2017 18:41 GMT
#173855
https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/906195350532304896?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

The binding arbitration equifax thing seems like it's going to get challenged pretty hard right out of the gate.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 19:16:29
September 08 2017 19:07 GMT
#173856
If compromised, should people enroll in this TrustedID Premier thing that Equifax is offering? Seeing the posts above, maybe not?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 19:17 GMT
#173857
On September 09 2017 04:07 riotjune wrote:
If compromised, should people enroll in this TrustedID Premier thing that Equifax is offering? Seeing the posts above, maybe not?

Like your SSN and info was compromised?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 08 2017 19:23 GMT
#173858
On September 09 2017 02:06 thePunGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The good news is that Jose seems to be swinging North...

https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/906188238322270208

Most highways in Florida seem to be gridlocked and gas stations are either packed with cars or all out.
You can call yorself lucky, if you manage to get to Georgia/Alabama without running out of gas at this point.


This is why I didn't leave my house. I set up my shutter, cleaned my yard of any debris, cleaned my garage so it doesn't ruin anything. Filled up with gas, food, and water. I rather ride the storm out in my house than my car. So I'll be doing live reporting of the storm on this thread.
Life?
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
September 08 2017 19:26 GMT
#173859
On September 09 2017 04:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 04:07 riotjune wrote:
If compromised, should people enroll in this TrustedID Premier thing that Equifax is offering? Seeing the posts above, maybe not?

Like your SSN and info was compromised?

One of my friends was affected, he clicked the enroll button and got a message saying how they'll get back to him at a later date, also no reminder.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 19:29 GMT
#173860
On September 09 2017 04:26 riotjune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 04:17 Plansix wrote:
On September 09 2017 04:07 riotjune wrote:
If compromised, should people enroll in this TrustedID Premier thing that Equifax is offering? Seeing the posts above, maybe not?

Like your SSN and info was compromised?

One of my friends was affected, he clicked the enroll button and got a message saying how they'll get back to him at a later date, also no reminder.

Personally, I wouldn’t trust the company that just lost my data to help me out or do anything but protect themselves.
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