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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44453 Posts
September 08 2017 19:30 GMT
#173861
On September 09 2017 04:07 riotjune wrote:
If compromised, should people enroll in this TrustedID Premier thing that Equifax is offering? Seeing the posts above, maybe not?

It does little more than creditkarma or the free services offered by Amex/Discover. You should already be signed up to free services that will email you whenever there is a change in your score or a new line of credit opened.

The reality is that from my current computer that I'm writing this post from I can access a hundred thousand names, date of births, addresses, SSNs, place of births and so forth, all in plain text, all exportable. This information isn't private and never has been. The best defence against identity fraud has always been the obscurity of your own information within the crowd. The fraudsters have your information, but they also have that of everyone else, there is no good reason to target you over anyone else, the odds of being a victim are fairly low.

The Equifax leak doesn't change that fundamental equation. You should be monitoring it already. You should continue to monitor it. But if you were to be targeted then no specific service can do all that much to stop it happening, you simply have to be ready to contact the institution being defrauded early and let them know it wasn't you.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
September 08 2017 19:44 GMT
#173862
So like self-preservation and defense in nature, by being in a school of fish, you hope the sharks will target those around you instead of you.

Thanks for the post, I'll take your lesson to heart and see if my card has any free service I can use and let others know.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44453 Posts
September 08 2017 19:49 GMT
#173863
The famous example is that of the LifeLock CEO who advertised his product by posting his SSN publicly to show how sure he was that LifeLock would protect him. His identity was successfully stolen multiple times, despite LifeLock. Be cautious and prudent but know that if you're targeted there is ultimately little you can do. It's not worth worrying about too much.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 20:42 GMT
#173864
On September 09 2017 03:11 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so Voter Fraud commission doesn't understand NH voting laws.


Special reminder – you can’t get NH driver’s license if you intend to leave the state. College students are allowed to vote in NH, but cannot get NH driver’s licenses because they are not long term residents. Kobach is a moron and also a writer for Bannon in his spare time.

What I am saying is, this entire commission is completely fraud. It barely exists in reality.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 08 2017 21:00 GMT
#173865
So it's a fraud of an election fraud commission done by frauds.

Turtles all the way down.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
September 08 2017 21:02 GMT
#173866
On September 09 2017 06:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So it's a fraud of an election fraud commission done by frauds.

Turtles all the way down.


Considering it's spurred by a dishonest tweet based on a fraudulent understanding of statistics, I would certainly say so.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 21:03 GMT
#173867
Fraudception. We need to go deeper, to the 5 layer of fraud. Once there, we can pass through the loop and become truth.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14223 Posts
September 08 2017 21:13 GMT
#173868
The person who taught Trump statistics was trying to fraud trump out of money on his real estate but he himself was defrauded by a fraudulent college who was certified by a fraudulent accreditation employee who was defrauding the taxpayers by creating fraudulent voters to get Hillary elected but wasn't good at it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 08 2017 21:26 GMT
#173869
Since Donald Trump assumed the presidency, European allies have worried he will fulfill his campaign promise and pull the U.S. out of the Iran nuclear deal.

Trump's national security cabinet has a different idea. U.S. officials tell me that a new strategy on the agreement is ready for the president's approval. Instead of blowing it apart, the plan is to make it stronger.

The idea can be summed up as “waive, decertify and fix.” On Sept. 14, Trump is expected to waive the crippling sanctions on Iran's banks and oil exports that were suspended as a condition of the 2015 nuclear bargain known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. A law passed by Congress in 2015 requires the president to make a decision on those sanctions every 120 days. Trump waived the sanctions in May and is expected to do so again.

That's the carrot for the Europeans. The stick will be that Trump is also expected to lay out the U.S. government's concerns with the 2015 nuclear deal. It has three major flaws, according to U.S. officials. These are the sunset provisions that lift limits on elements like Iranian stockpiles of low-enriched uranium between 2025 and 2030; the failure of the deal to prohibit Iran's development of ballistic missiles; and the weak provisions on inspections of suspected Iranian military sites.

This is important because the 2015 legislation that requires the secretary of state to certify Iranian compliance provides a lot of flexibility. As Trump's ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, explained in a speech Tuesday at the American Enterprise Institute, Trump can decertify Iranian compliance if he deems the deal does not advance the U.S. national interest, even if Iran is technically obeying the letter of the agreement. As of now, U.S. officials tell me Trump is planning to rule Iran is out of compliance, in part because it continues to test ballistic missiles.

Trump's decertification would not kill the nuclear deal. Instead it would send the matter to Congress, which could choose to vote to re-impose the crippling sanctions Trump is expected to waive this week. Trump will have to decide on certifying Iran by Oct. 15.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44453 Posts
September 08 2017 21:42 GMT
#173870
That doesn't make any sense. During the campaign Trump said it was a bad deal and he'd undo it. Then after he won he insisted Iran was non compliant while the UN, the American allies in the deal, and even Tillerson, said otherwise. Over and over he threatened to end the deal and reimpose sanctions unilaterally, a toothless act given that no other nation would follow him down that path. At one point he even said he would overrule the advice of the state department to do it.

Apparently someone has talked sense into him and told him that where he leads, literally nobody else is willing to follow. That the point of the deal is that the sanction coalition was breaking apart and that Obama reforged it around "we're willing to end sanctions, but only if everyone is willing to reimpose them together should Iran cease to comply". Trump has no political capital here because every other country is getting what they want already, an end to the Iranian nuclear program.

Passing the buck to Congress gives him a way to try and slip out of the stupid corner he painted himself into by insisting, against the recommendation of his own state department, that Iran was non compliant. Trump promised to do something utterly futile and idiotic, and he promised it repeatedly, and he promised it publicly. Presumably Mattis, or whoever else it is that Trump listens to on a good day, told him he wasn't allowed to and so he's trying to shift the responsibility and hide his shame.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
September 08 2017 21:53 GMT
#173871
I'd imagine a lot of this is Kelly's doing, or at least the absence of people like Bannon? Like between this and the dem deal on the debt ceiling he's behaving somewhat different than before. I think it's still pretty Trump-ish under the hood, but you can see someone seems to be wheeling and spinning things better than before.

That and yeah the strategy seems to be "make congress do it so they get in trouble for it if it goes bad and I get credit if it goes well".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:00:42
September 08 2017 21:55 GMT
#173872
Kwark you have cracked the code:

Trump has figured out he can pass the buck to congress. And because his followers like him and hate congress, they will blame congress. Which is kinda awesome, because the congress members who fear loosing in 2018 want to get shit done. And they will work with the other faction that wants to get shit done: The democrats.

Edit: Trump making a deal with the Dems was him just being Trump. Trump makes people fight to seek his approval. He fucked over the Republicans because he can and they didn't pass health care reform. And he will likely keep doing it until they do stuff he likes. Which is fine for the Democrats, since they only have to help out the Republicans on deals that favor them.

The deep divisions in the GOP, with the Tea Party still being obsessed with doing nothing, puts them in a terrible position to be in power. Because on paper they control congress, but in reality they have no ability to pass their agenda without the Democrats.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24517 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:08:55
September 08 2017 22:02 GMT
#173873


This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)

________________________________________________________________________________

Do former Hillary supporters think this Verrit/Daou thing/guy is as dumb as everyone else thinks it is, or are her former supporters still eating this stuff up?

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 22:09 GMT
#173874
On September 09 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/906201196372918273

This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)


I would support a Bernie run just for him kicking the shit out of At&t and Verizon. One of the safest fights to take, because people hate their internet and cell phone provider.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 08 2017 22:11 GMT
#173875
On September 09 2017 06:53 Logo wrote:
I'd imagine a lot of this is Kelly's doing, or at least the absence of people like Bannon? Like between this and the dem deal on the debt ceiling he's behaving somewhat different than before. I think it's still pretty Trump-ish under the hood, but you can see someone seems to be wheeling and spinning things better than before.

That and yeah the strategy seems to be "make congress do it so they get in trouble for it if it goes bad and I get credit if it goes well".


I think Bannon was really good at conveying totally unrealistic, idealistic nonsense and making it sound feasible. Now that Bannon isn't whispering in Trump's ear, and Kelly/McMaster/Mattis seem to have him on lockdown, we basically have a military-style government. What should we do? Whatever helps to ensure the long term strength and survival of the country. Throw meat to the base every so often, but by and large, just show up to work and make things better.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24517 Posts
September 08 2017 22:13 GMT
#173876
On September 09 2017 07:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/906201196372918273

This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)


I would support a Bernie run just for him kicking the shit out of At&t and Verizon. One of the safest fights to take, because people hate their internet and cell phone provider.


You'd think there'd be more Democrats wanting to get in on the action, but nope.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:26:13
September 08 2017 22:25 GMT
#173877
On September 09 2017 07:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 07:09 Plansix wrote:
On September 09 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/906201196372918273

This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)


I would support a Bernie run just for him kicking the shit out of At&t and Verizon. One of the safest fights to take, because people hate their internet and cell phone provider.


You'd think there'd be more Democrats wanting to get in on the action, but nope.

It's a tough fight. The GOP and telecoms both put up a mean fight and it's never been a priority. Gotta burn a lot of political capital and the telecoms always employ the killing jobs angle.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:26:09
September 08 2017 22:25 GMT
#173878
On September 09 2017 07:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 07:09 Plansix wrote:
On September 09 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/906201196372918273

This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)


I would support a Bernie run just for him kicking the shit out of At&t and Verizon. One of the safest fights to take, because people hate their internet and cell phone provider.


You'd think there'd be more Democrats wanting to get in on the action, but nope.


He'll certainly get those democrats on board if he wins 2020. Bernie is my placeholder at the moment. We'll see if anyone dethrones him.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
September 08 2017 22:41 GMT
#173879
Why are Americans here so anti-immigrants? What happened to the "American dream" and stuff? I thought it was a liberal country, freedom, blah blah. I guess not? Propaganda only?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 22:42:49
September 08 2017 22:41 GMT
#173880
On September 09 2017 07:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/906201196372918273

This is exactly the type of stuff I was talking about Verizon doing almost a decade ago. (Skip to 2:20)

________________________________________________________________________________

Do former Hillary supporters think this Verrit/Daou thing/guy is as dumb as everyone else thinks it is, or are her former supporters still eating this stuff up?

https://twitter.com/verrit/status/905990852098617345

some of the stuff is dumb/excessive false; some of it is true; (looking at the underlying article)

the headline on the tweet itself, is false and dumb.


sc-darkness; whatchu talking about? most of the people here seem fairly fine with immigration; it is a left-leaning board after all.
or by "here" did you mean something other than on this discussion board?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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