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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
September 08 2017 16:05 GMT
#173821
On September 09 2017 01:01 Plansix wrote:
You cannot evacuate an entire state. There is no place to put people. The state existed to have the infrastructure to accommodate 22 million people. We don’t have a spare state just sitting around for them to exist in. Obviously people should seek safety, but the governor cannot just be like "Everyone leave" and not expect 22 million people to be caught in traffic when the storm hits.

I mean, folks could en masse move to Montana/the Dakotas/Idaho, but we all know we only do stuff like that when we're forcing natives to relocate.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 16:06 GMT
#173822
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 08 2017 16:06 GMT
#173823
You can hunker down for a hurricane as long as you're not in a flood zone. But generally speaking, only stupid people stick around and try to ride them out. Everyone in South Florida should have boogied already.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 08 2017 16:08 GMT
#173824
Also, looking at the latest models, it looks like Florida is going to catch a bit of a break with the storm coming up through the Everglades instead of coming ashore near Miami. Given the speed that the storm is moving, it may not be that bad all things considered.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:15:21
September 08 2017 16:11 GMT
#173825
On September 09 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/906179166596460544


I don't get why this isn't hyperbole? I'm sure plenty of Floridians still remember Andrew. I get that Irma is bigger and stronger at the moment, but wasn't Andrew stronger at landfall than Irma is predicted to be?

(Not that Irma isn't going to be devastating in its own right or anything, but like I remember Andrew even without having lived in Florida. Also Hyperbole tends to be prudent in these types of situations really so that's fine.)
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 08 2017 16:11 GMT
#173826
I've heard that hotels as far as TN are completely booked. Like P6 said, the surrounding states can't simply absorb 10's of millions of people easily.

Also not sure how serious the statement is but abandoning FL or other low-lying coastal areas is a dumb idea. There's a reason people and businesses are located there, even with the risk.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:25:43
September 08 2017 16:17 GMT
#173827
On September 09 2017 01:11 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/906179166596460544


I don't get why this isn't hyperbole? I'm sure plenty of Floridians still remember Andrew. I get that Irma is bigger and stronger at the moment, but wasn't Andrew stronger at landfall than Irma is predicted to be?

(Not that Irma isn't going to be devastating in its own right or anything, but like I remember Andrew even without having lived in Florida. Also Hyperbole tends to be prudent in these types of situations really so that's fine.)


while the severity is TBD, the sheer size the storm is 2x as big as andrew.

should the worst happen, and it stays as strong, it will be devastatingly worse.

of course there's always the possibility the worst doesn't happen, but always plan for it right? oh you edited that in. sorry.

also, the path is worse. andrew was small and cut straight across south florida. so most of the resident were unaffected. Irma's going right up the state, so everyone's going to get beaten with it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 16:19 GMT
#173828
House Republicans unleashed their fury over President Donald Trump's deal with the Democrats at Steve Mnuchin, with conservatives calling the treasury secretary's appeal to them to "vote for it for me" insulting and inappropriate.

Mnuchin, along with Trump's budget chief, Mick Mulvaney went up to Capitol Hill shortly before a vote on the package, which included money for hurricane aid, a continuing resolution to keep the government open and a three-month extension of the debt ceiling.

Multiple House Republicans emerged infuriated and dissatisfied that they addressed their concerns that the deal wasn't the right strategy to get some of the spending reforms they've been pushing.

In the closed-door meeting, Mnuchin appeared to exacerbate the anger of House Republicans who opposed clean debt limit extensions, as the treasury secretary appealed to members to do this "for me," according to two members in the meeting.

Florida Republican Ted Yoho told reporters one House Republican told the treasury secretary directly "you know what, unfortunately you don't get voted in or voted out and you can't vote for me."

Most rank-and-file House Republicans don't know Mnuchin and more than one said they believed he was a Democrat, based on his previous donations to political candidates.

A source in the room described Mnuchin's performance as one where the treasury secretary clearly did not understand the long-simmering frustrations among conservatives when it came to raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts.

Mnuchin further irritated conservatives when he left the meeting because of other commitments with roughly a dozen members still in line waiting for him to answer their questions.

Rep. David Brat added Mnuchin's arguments were "intellectually insulting." Brat said members asked Mnuchin and Mulvaney for reassurances that the GOP have a bigger fiscal plan and got nothing in return.

"Crickets," the Virginia Republican said, adding that House Speaker Paul Ryan could say nothing to assure them that Trump wouldn't repeat a deal like this in the future.

Mnuchin was not the only one who faced some tough questions.

Other House Republicans reminded Mulvaney, a former congressman from South Carolina and a strident conservative who once railed against clean debt ceilings, of his past votes and statements opposing debt hikes. However, one GOP member said it was mostly teasing.

Republican Rep. Jeff Duncan said he personally asked White House officials in the room for a plan on how they are going to tackle the debt ceiling in December and he said they didn't have a good answer.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42968 Posts
September 08 2017 16:21 GMT
#173829
On September 09 2017 01:06 xDaunt wrote:
You can hunker down for a hurricane as long as you're not in a flood zone. But generally speaking, only stupid people stick around and try to ride them out. Everyone in South Florida should have boogied already.

And poor people. Most people can't up and leave. They have no money. They have no time. They have obligations. They have rent money to earn.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 16:23 GMT
#173830
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42968 Posts
September 08 2017 16:24 GMT
#173831
I believe you only waive your rights if you accept their credit monitoring service.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 16:24 GMT
#173832
On September 09 2017 01:17 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:11 Logo wrote:
On September 09 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/906179166596460544


I don't get why this isn't hyperbole? I'm sure plenty of Floridians still remember Andrew. I get that Irma is bigger and stronger at the moment, but wasn't Andrew stronger at landfall than Irma is predicted to be?

(Not that Irma isn't going to be devastating in its own right or anything, but like I remember Andrew even without having lived in Florida. Also Hyperbole tends to be prudent in these types of situations really so that's fine.)


while the severity is TBD, the sheer size the storm is 2x as big as andrew.

should the worst happen, and it stays as strong, it will be devastatingly worse.

of course there's always the possibility the worst doesn't happen, but always plan for it right? oh you edited that in. sorry.

There is only so much we can do. We cannot prepare for nature dumping five feet of water onto a city in 2 days. And we cannot completely prepare for this. We, collectively, have limits. It is easy to sit here and second guess everyone who is remaining, but a lot of them might not any place to go.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21788 Posts
September 08 2017 16:24 GMT
#173833
On September 09 2017 01:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/zackwhittaker/status/906178254331142144

In any other country then the US that would be unenforceable.

for the US, I'm sadly not so sure.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
September 08 2017 16:30 GMT
#173834
On September 09 2017 01:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/zackwhittaker/status/906178254331142144

IANAL but i'm a little skeptical when the highlighted passage is within an arbitration clause. naturally if i brought a claim to arbitration i would forfeit my right to bring a lawsuit?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 16:34 GMT
#173835
On September 09 2017 01:30 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/zackwhittaker/status/906178254331142144

IANAL but i'm a little skeptical when the highlighted passage is within an arbitration clause. naturally if i brought a claim to arbitration i would forfeit my right to bring a lawsuit?

Blanket waivers of liability are always legal questionable.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9625 Posts
September 08 2017 16:36 GMT
#173836
yea i get that, but not for arbitration. the entire point of arbitration is a legally binding settlement to avoid litigation.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:38:28
September 08 2017 16:37 GMT
#173837


Martin Shkreli just can’t help himself. The notorious “pharma bro” who was recently convicted on three counts of fraud in connection with hedge funds, was released on $5 million bail, but his behavior since then has led to the Justice Department pushing for him to be locked up ASAP.

Earlier this week, Shkreli said in Facebook post (which he has since deleted), “On HRC’s book tour, try to grab a hair from her,” adding “Will pay $5,000 per hair obtained from Hillary Clinton.” He later claimed it was a form of satire, but it was enough for the DOJ to file a motion on Thursday arguing that Shkreli is a danger to society and his bail should be revoked.

“Shkreli’s latest threat is concerning not only because it has required a significant expenditure of resources by the United States Secret Service, which is charged with protecting Secretary Clinton,” the motion says, “but also because there is a significant risk that one of his many social media followers or others who learn of his offers through the media will take his statements seriously — as has happened previously — and act on them.”

Shkreli drew the ire of the nation in a separate matter, when as a pharmaceutical CEO he raised the price of the drug Daraprim from $13.50 per dose to $750.

Shkreli’s lawyers have until Tuesday to file a response, with a hearing to follow on Thursday.

Thursday night, after the motion was filed, Shkreli was back at it on Facebook, saying his initial post was “just a prank, bro!”

lawnewz.com
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
September 08 2017 16:41 GMT
#173838
On September 09 2017 01:11 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/906179166596460544


I don't get why this isn't hyperbole? I'm sure plenty of Floridians still remember Andrew. I get that Irma is bigger and stronger at the moment, but wasn't Andrew stronger at landfall than Irma is predicted to be?

(Not that Irma isn't going to be devastating in its own right or anything, but like I remember Andrew even without having lived in Florida. Also Hyperbole tends to be prudent in these types of situations really so that's fine.)

People do not take large storms like this seriously and don't put proper thought into dealing with them. Highlighted by the Florida guy telling people to evacuate today.

It's okay to fib a bit on the storms strength if it means people not dying.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
September 08 2017 16:43 GMT
#173839
On September 09 2017 01:17 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 01:11 Logo wrote:
On September 09 2017 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/906179166596460544


I don't get why this isn't hyperbole? I'm sure plenty of Floridians still remember Andrew. I get that Irma is bigger and stronger at the moment, but wasn't Andrew stronger at landfall than Irma is predicted to be?

(Not that Irma isn't going to be devastating in its own right or anything, but like I remember Andrew even without having lived in Florida. Also Hyperbole tends to be prudent in these types of situations really so that's fine.)


while the severity is TBD, the sheer size the storm is 2x as big as andrew.

should the worst happen, and it stays as strong, it will be devastatingly worse.

of course there's always the possibility the worst doesn't happen, but always plan for it right? oh you edited that in. sorry.

also, the path is worse. andrew was small and cut straight across south florida. so most of the resident were unaffected. Irma's going right up the state, so everyone's going to get beaten with it.


Yeah, I realized after the initial post I was sounding like I didn't believe the hurricane was going to be devastating, when I only meant to imply that it seems like it's going to be Andrew levels of destruction. But it's a good point about the sheer size and path of it, and makes sense.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 16:43 GMT
#173840
On September 09 2017 01:36 brian wrote:
yea i get that, but not for arbitration. the entire point of arbitration is a legally binding settlement to avoid litigation.

I question how a judge would rule on that as well. This isn't an employment contract, but one of those click through terms of service.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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