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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 14:48 GMT
#173801


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 08 2017 15:15 GMT
#173802


Things aren't going so hot at Democratic Senator Menendez's corruption trial. His lawyer is claiming that this is an attack on all Hispanic Americans. Democratic congressional leadership have refused to say if he should resign if convicted, when questioned by reporters.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 15:19 GMT
#173803
Hopefully he sees jail but I doubt it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
September 08 2017 15:22 GMT
#173804
On September 09 2017 00:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Hopefully he sees jail but I doubt it.


One thing China gets right is how to handle corrupt politicians.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
September 08 2017 15:23 GMT
#173805
Yeah except their definition of "corrupt" oftentimes includes folks popular and outspoken enough to do harm to the edifice of the Republic.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11790 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 15:33:38
September 08 2017 15:32 GMT
#173806
On September 09 2017 00:23 farvacola wrote:
Yeah except their definition of "corrupt" oftentimes includes folks popular and outspoken enough to do harm to the edifice of the Republic.


It also excludes the top leaders and their families. Or at least that is what estimations of the wealthiest Chinese citizens tends to suggest.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 08 2017 15:40 GMT
#173807
The Chinese have clamped down pretty hard on corruption in recent years. My wife has some family members who are very high up in the Communist Party. When I went to China in 2009, they treated us to an exquisite evening out (food, booze, and entertainment) on the government dime, and told us stories about how the red carpet is always rolled out for them whenever they visit cities and towns in the country. When we went back to China in 2015, they had to keep a much lower profile. However, when we visited their home in one of the swanky parts of Beijing, we got to see this "trophy room" that was packed full of all sorts of exotic "gifts" that they have received over the years. It was a little museum of curios, packed with shit like dinosaur eggs and exotic art. It was pretty cool, but I was under no delusion as to how all of that wealth must have been accumulated.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7241 Posts
September 08 2017 15:50 GMT
#173808
I work at an insurance company and it bums me out how few people know what their policy covers until it's too late, and how few people have insurance and try and call the day before a storm hits and every company has stopped writing insurance from FL to NC
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 15:56:35
September 08 2017 15:52 GMT
#173809
On September 08 2017 18:59 Kickboxer wrote:
Sorry for bringing this back, and I'm not gonna dwell on it either, just wanted to answer a couple of points since I went out last night.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 01:52 NewSunshine wrote:
A few questions. What do you think constitutes being "confused by their gender roles"? Is this a woman who didn't have the good sense to know her place and just watch the kids, or is this something else? Moreover, how does this directly link to having trouble in relationships? I for instance believe very little in gender roles, since it's a fluid concept to begin with, and I'm having no problems in my relationships/lack thereof. What in your mind equates the bucking of traditional gender roles with men and women hating each other? Without hearing further justification on these, it sounds to me like you're just walking away from these issues and adhering to stereotypes because it's easier, not necessarily because it's better. Am I wrong?


I find much of what we have come to think of as "stereotypes" is in fact better understood as "archetypes". Yes, gender roles are somewhat fluid, but to a far lesser degree than we've come to believe (based not on hard science either, but instead on purely theoretical fields like gender studies, which I'm personally certain to be as close to "fake science" as official academia has ever gotten - and this is not just my opinion. There's an academic war being waged right now between clinical / evolutionary psychologists and the genderbenders as we speak).

If you want a relationship between a man and a woman to be stable long-term, firstly, it's absolutely not "fun and games". Committed relationships take sacrifice and investment on both partners' end, in addition to certain specific personal traits, and are largely incompatible with the libertine and egotistical way we've come to raise young people of both genders. I can observe that those couples who have it easiest in this difficult process (I keep over-generalizing things for the sake of arguments. Yes, there are many outliers and exceptions to all of this) generally feature a rather traditionally masculine man, and a rather traditionally feminine (indeed, to some degree this means submissive) woman. So perhaps these are not social stereotypes, but rather biological archetypes we ought, if not aspire to, at least treat with some respect. For a funky pop-culture reference, see Lenny Kravitz's "American Woman"

Just think about your grandparents. I'm willing to bet they fit those boxes, and there's a high chance they've spent their entire life together and your parents have had a relatively harmonious and safe two-parental home to be raised in - a paramount privilege in life, and one we should strive to preserve as a society. Whether or not they were "happy" throughout this stretch is besides the point. Happiness is a relatively childish and vastly overrated existential category (certainly, chasing happiness, especially the capitalist-driven social-media-ego 'feelgood' happiness of our age hardly works for anyone, and is one of the major factors of depression and anxiety). What matters is whether they led a fulfilling family life and created a tightly knit functioning micro-society with familial patterns that can reciprocate throughout time, which strikes me as one of the great "quests" in life whose realization brings profound lasting satisfaction, i.e. the real type of "happiness".


Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 02:47 crms wrote:

Could you please explain this 'simple biology'?

As someone who went to school for evolutionary biology & anthropology I have no clue what you're talking about. The sexual escapades of women and how that is viewed is entirely socially constructed. You can see how females leverage promiscuity in a multitude of ways across a diverse amount of species including some of our closest living relatives like the bonobos. So unless you think human sexual activity is biologically unique, there is nothing biologically significant related to how many dudes a chick wants to bang and how fit that makes her.


I'm not sure you are correct at all? Social constructivism as it applies to gender has been thoroughly disproven by now, and is absolutely dead in the water when it comes to hard science. Look up the Swedish studies on gender interests and inclinations, and how these express themselves once the societal factors have been equalized. They are very large, long-term, repeated and well cited studies that clearly show once you equalize the playing field, differences between men and women grow bigger rather than smaller, which can only be attributed to biological factors and flushes the entire social constructivist hypothesis down the toilet. Yes, I know 'gender studies' claim exactly the opposite is true, but the academic merits of this particular field are absolutely atrocious (non-repeateble "experiments", zero citations, idiot instruments such as "autoethnography", tremendous cherry-picking and distortion of facts, we can go on for a while).

Also, as far as I know, human females are extremely choosy partners compared to the "other" great apes? Chimpanzee and bonobo females will mate with any male that isn't physically prevented from boning them by the other males (talk about sex positive lol). In humans, the females pick their own mates selectively, based largely on their (perceived) socio-economic status, and this is posited to be the driver behind the entire competence hierarchy & arising competition among men.

Basically, female sexual selection is the primary motor of inter-male competition? We call this "hypergamy" - the propensity of human females to mate up and across dominance hierarchies, and the connected programming of men to want to climb those hierarchies in order to impress women. I know of no historical case where human females would leverage their promiscuity in any way? Can you name an example, apart from those few extremely exotic matriarchal societies where everyone parents children together?


where you and peterson go wrong is in your fundamental misunderstanding of desire and hence the unconscious. freud and jung and hence peterson fundamentally think about desire as lack. the unconscious is better conceptualized as an assemblage of desiring-machines actively producing the real.

so when you talk about archetypes, found and founded in myth, you are talking about exteriorized representations of the "essence of desire" as an objective desire that has been alienated from desire-as-production in the unconscious. peterson engages in a thoroughly artificial "naturalization" of subjectivity without ever interrogating the bourgeois societal structures that shaped freud's and jung's elaboration of what only appeared to them as the "objective" structures of the unconscious, the bourgeois unconscious itself already having been shaped by the social codes of the 19th and 20th centuries in the West.

but hey our grandparents remained married a long time and had a lot of kids. it "works."
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 15:54 GMT
#173810
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42428 Posts
September 08 2017 15:55 GMT
#173811
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272

He's not wrong, he's just wrong to wait until a hurricane to say it. Florida should have been abandoned a long time ago.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15511 Posts
September 08 2017 15:56 GMT
#173812
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272


What? Should people not be evacuated..?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 08 2017 15:57 GMT
#173813
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272


I wonder if Georgia and Alabama are willing to accept 21 million refugees...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 08 2017 15:57 GMT
#173814
On September 09 2017 00:55 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272

He's not wrong, he's just wrong to wait until a hurricane to say it. Florida should have been abandoned a long time ago.

#draintheswamp
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
September 08 2017 15:57 GMT
#173815
The call should have come yesterday at the latest, there's no practical way for most remaining to leave.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 15:58 GMT
#173816
On September 09 2017 00:56 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272


What? Should people not be evacuated..?



In Miami and surrounding areas there hasn't been gas and other supplies for almost a week. Not counting other counties North, now this dipshit just hit the panic button statewide.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44106 Posts
September 08 2017 15:59 GMT
#173817
On September 09 2017 00:55 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2017 00:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Fucking dumbass, 22 million people.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/906155659120566272

He's not wrong, he's just wrong to wait until a hurricane to say it. Florida should have been abandoned a long time ago.


Agreed.

As a public servant of New Jersey, the only positive thing I will ever say about Chris Christie is that he took Hurricane Sandy incredibly seriously and preemptively told everyone to gtfo of the coastal areas and for everyone in the state to err on the side of caution.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 16:02:46
September 08 2017 16:01 GMT
#173818
You cannot evacuate an entire state. There is no place to put people. The state existed to have the infrastructure to accommodate 22 million people. We don’t have a spare state just sitting around for them to exist in. Obviously people should seek safety, but the governor cannot just be like "Everyone leave" and not expect 22 million people to be caught in traffic when the storm hits.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7241 Posts
September 08 2017 16:02 GMT
#173819
Having spent my week trying to get stupid fucks to leave Florida, people there are stupid, and only try and evacuate when it's way too fucking late. "Category 5 strongest Atlantic storm in history" elicits "eh, I'll just hunker down" or they try and finish their work week up and leave just before the storm hits when EVERY person tries to leave despite driving through Florida being shitty on a good day. People. In. Florida. Are. Dumb.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 16:05 GMT
#173820
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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